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Old 11-09-2014, 10:41 AM   #1
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BlackJack is going on a diet......

Just received a call from a new 21' Escape owner in Montana, he works at one of the weigh stations there and on our trip home from Osoyoos, we stopped for to show him our trailer tour and also got weighed. BlackJack was 3300# on the axles plus 500# tongue weight.
I asked him today what his weight was on his unit, from the factory is 3300# and 375# on the tongue.
So it appears I have close to 500 pounds of "Stuff" plus 125# in the tongue box. I'm thinking I do not need 3 coffee machines nor cast iron cookware in the unit all the time, I can add this stuff back if I know I'll be using it, but otherwise I'm going to "slim down" and try to shave off a couple of hundred pounds. Will help on gas also.
Unless it has been used in past year, I'm taking it out.
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Old 11-09-2014, 11:09 AM   #2
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Cast iron cookware? Too drastic.
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Old 11-09-2014, 11:12 AM   #3
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That plus 4 chairs and 2 tables....
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Old 11-09-2014, 11:16 AM   #4
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Simplifying is good, but do you really think it will make much difference to your fuel consumption?
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Old 11-09-2014, 11:35 AM   #5
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I kind of was plugging in 4300 # for a gross trailer weight and this seems to be in the ball park and from what I have read. Will just have to see how it weighs out in the end. Are your weights with empty tanks? Loren
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Old 11-09-2014, 11:51 AM   #6
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Just received a call from a new 21' Escape owner in Montana, he works at one of the weigh stations there and on our trip home from Osoyoos, we stopped for to show him our trailer tour and also got weighed. BlackJack was 3300# on the axles plus 500# tongue weight.
I asked him today what his weight was on his unit, from the factory is 3300# and 375# on the tongue.
So it appears I have close to 500 pounds of "Stuff" plus 125# in the tongue box. I'm thinking I do not need 3 coffee machines nor cast iron cookware in the unit all the time, I can add this stuff back if I know I'll be using it, but otherwise I'm going to "slim down" and try to shave off a couple of hundred pounds. Will help on gas also.
Unless it has been used in past year, I'm taking it out.
Hi: cpaharley2008... Don't forget the "Slim fast". Alf
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Old 11-09-2014, 01:40 PM   #7
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cpaharley2008 wrote: "BlackJack was 3300# on the axles plus 500# tongue weight. I asked him today what his weight was on his unit, from the factory is 3300# and 375# on the tongue."

I haven't had a chance to weigh our two-month old Escape 21, but from what the scales told Jim and the other owner there's a good chance its total weight is greater than we thought.

We had it packed lightly on our recent 4-week trip, but our towing experience has us pretty sure we'll upgrade our V6 SUV to a V8 pickup before we tow again. It will be nice to have more power on the hills, and not worry about the additional weight of every item we might like to take along.

Here's the V6 vs. V8 thread:
Towing on steep grades at high elevation
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BlackJack was 3300# on the axles plus 500# tongue weight.
I asked him today what his weight was on his unit, from the factory is 3300# and 375# on the tongue.
So it appears I have close to 500 pounds of "Stuff" plus 125# in the tongue box.
Can I assume that this meant that the "from the factory" weight was 3300 lb total, with 375 lb of that on the tongue, for a 2925 lb axle weight? This is 250 lb over the published dry weight spec (presumably due to options), and would put Blackjack's cargo at 500 lb total, including any water and including the 125 lb which shows up on the tongue. This assumes that Blackjack's options are the same as the other unit.

I think 500 pounds of cargo (including water) is pretty reasonable. Last time we used our trailer, we had closer to 600 pounds of water plus cargo.

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I'm thinking I do not need 3 coffee machines nor cast iron cookware in the unit all the time...
I have always found the use of cast iron cookware in a lightweight fiberglass trailer amusing, but if that is part of what makes the camping experience enjoyable, then it belongs in the trailer.

I agree with the "haven't used it, don't need to carry it" logic. I wish I were better at implementing that system
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Old 11-09-2014, 03:00 PM   #9
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I've now got a box under the bed and I put "useless" stuff in it. That way, if my wife misses it, mentions it or deems it not to be "useless", it is still available, but out of the way.
At the end of the season, I can safely empty the box.
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Old 11-09-2014, 06:35 PM   #10
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Can I assume that this meant that the "from the factory" weight was 3300 lb total, with 375 lb of that on the tongue, for a 2925 lb axle weight? This is 250 lb over the published dry weight spec (presumably due to options), and would put Blackjack's cargo at 500 lb total, including any water and including the 125 lb which shows up on the tongue. This assumes that Blackjack's options are the same as the other unit.

I think 500 pounds of cargo (including water) is pretty reasonable. Last time we used our trailer, we had closer to 600 pounds of water plus cargo.


I have always found the use of cast iron cookware in a lightweight fiberglass trailer amusing, but if that is part of what makes the camping experience enjoyable, then it belongs in the trailer.

I agree with the "haven't used it, don't need to carry it" logic. I wish I were better at implementing that system
No, Brian, the weights shown are separate thus you add them to get total weight, thus
mine was 4300# with 2/3 fresh water and 1/3 waste tanks and the new one was 3675# from the factory with options
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