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Old 06-29-2014, 01:52 PM   #11
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...the bed in the 21 is warmer....
Now that really depends on how much heat your sleepmate generates. My wife is like a furnace and I usually have to forego the covers to stay cool, even in shoulder seasons.
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Old 06-29-2014, 01:57 PM   #12
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Yes , I like a cold bed, both n summer and winter. But one of us has hot flashes….
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Old 06-29-2014, 02:06 PM   #13
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..plus I had the mattress cut 2" smaller so that the mattress does not touch any of the cold wall!!
Not too sure how well a mattress transfers heat laterally but, hey, if it works for you, great.

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Old 06-29-2014, 04:42 PM   #14
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In the Escape 19 the mattress is a little to large and you can hardly put you hand between it and the wall, making up the bed is a PIA. That said, in the winter, no air can get between the mattress and the wall and the wall being cold and the mattress being warmer you have condensation. No transfer of heat laterally, just a difference in surface temperature will create condensation. If you were to make the mattress smaller and allow air to circulate around it then you will not have a damp mattress. That is how the mattress hyper vent works, by allowing air to circulate. I'd install not only underneath, but also around the mattress in 19 Escape. With the my 21 I only need it on the bottom and not around the perimeter as there is air space.
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Old 06-29-2014, 05:54 PM   #15
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Yes , I like a cold bed, both n summer and winter. But one of us has hot flashes….
CpaHarley,

Sure you have learned by now they are not hot flashes they are " Power Surges" ":}

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Old 06-29-2014, 06:41 PM   #16
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You are not surrounded by 3 exterior walls with 3 exterior windows…..plus I had the mattress cut 2" smaller so that the mattress does not touch any of the cold wall!!
You mention cold wall. Did you get the optional insulation, walls or bottom?
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Old 06-29-2014, 07:15 PM   #17
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[QUOTE=cpaharley2008;57420] If you were to make the mattress smaller and allow air to circulate around it /QUOTE]

How does one get condensation if there's no air in that area? Aren't damp mattresses related to body perspiration, not condensation?

Seems like you have your theory and I have mine.

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Old 06-29-2014, 07:31 PM   #18
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Mine is not theory but a result of camping in below freezing temperatures both in New York and West Virginia and here in Pennsylvania with my Escape with thermal windows, extra insulation, foam spray underneath and 12v heat pads with 120v heated water hose. You will get condensation as long as you are breathing. Has nothing to do with body perspiration which normally does not happen when it is 5 degrees outside.
Next time anyone finds condensation in the winter on the windows, open the shades and let the air hit the windows, it will go away. If in the cabinets on the walls, open them. Open your roof vent. Try it.
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Old 06-29-2014, 08:12 PM   #19
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In praise of the 17, if you plan to travel with no more than two, like my wife and I, the 17 makes a lot of sense. We will be able to easily pull it with our v6 SUV, which we could not do in the 19 or 21. Yes, we sacrifice some storage and some bed space, but we gain efficiency, smaller size for better mileage and easier towing.

Bottom line is that Escape has done a great job with their lineup, and you'll be thrilled with whatever choice you make.
Our 17b goes in to production next week, so that is where we landed on this decision. Our thinking process followed much the same process as rbryan's ease of towing, only two of us traveling and basic simplicity. We live in a large urban setting and are new to towing. Although, we had a trailer for 10 years it was always at a vacation lakeside site, we both sat in the 19 and in the 17b and feel confident that given what we want to do(in and out exploring lots of small towns, some larger cities, lots of mountains) we want smaller not bigger. So we went with the 17b recognizing the "sleeping crawl-over" factor but in the end other matters overode other things.

I see that Loren and Cathy are in Kansas, I've spent lots of time in Kansas, lots of wide open spaces there so the decional factors and end use could be quite different for them then for us. At the end of the day, all this is very individualistic, unique.

It was good to ask about things on the Forum. For us sitting in both the 19 and the 17b and thinking about how we planned to use the trailers helped us make the final decision.
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For us sitting in both the 19 and the 17b and thinking about how we planned to use the trailers helped us make the final decision.
I couldn't agree more. I visited the factory and just sat for some time in a 15A and 17A to get the feel for each model. I even had Tammy make the front dinette in the 15 into a bed to see if I could use it as a permanent bed as I wanted to go as small as possible but in keeping with my camping lifestyle. My truck could have handled any of the models but simple and small were the overriding factors to me. So if you've narrowed it down to two models, just spend a bit of time in each one if you have the opportunity. You'll know.
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