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Old 09-24-2014, 04:38 PM   #21
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Are there any other ideas to keep door from freezing shut, other than petroleum jelly?
Try silicone spray form a aerosole can, alot less messy and works fairly well
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Old 09-24-2014, 04:41 PM   #22
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The first thing I would expect to freeze is the plumbing from tank to pump, so if I were putting in tank heaters I would want that line heat traced.
That's my first concern in marginal* freezing weather. (*Marginal, where days are above freezing and nights below freezing). The thermal mass of the fresh water tank should keep it liquid all night but the skinny plumbing that crosses under the floor will respond to sub-freezing temperatures rather quickly.

If ETI offered it, I would prefer a 12v heat tape along the lines, rather than pads under the 2 tanks. (And that's making an unknown assumption that heat tape draws less current than a pad.)

In full winter I don't think the proximity of the fresh water tank to the slightly warmer trailer floor would be enough to prevent freezing. That's when drastic measures must be taken - like camping in Texas.

(Just kidding. We're heading to Big Bend NP in November.)
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Old 09-24-2014, 04:44 PM   #23
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Well, its on the edge. The temperature at the bottom of the tank will be much lower than on the surface of the floor... and the floor may not be so toasty warm. The first thing I would expect to freeze is the plumbing from tank to pump, so if I were putting in tank heaters I would want that line heat traced.
We'll not use the fresh water this year, but I will be checking temps at various locations within the trailer in anticipation of more aggressive use of the water systems the following winter.
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Old 09-24-2014, 04:47 PM   #24
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That's my first concern in marginal* freezing weather. (*Marginal, where days are above freezing and nights below freezing). The thermal mass of the fresh water tank should keep it liquid all night but the skinny plumbing that crosses under the floor will respond to sub-freezing temperatures rather quickly.

If ETI offered it, I would prefer a 12v heat tape along the lines, rather than pads under the 2 tanks. (And that's making an unknown assumption that heat tape draws less current than a pad.)

In full winter I don't think the proximity of the fresh water tank to the slightly warmer trailer floor would be enough to prevent freezing. That's when drastic measures must be taken - like camping in Texas.

(Just kidding. We're heading to Big Bend NP in November.)
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Texas it is. How is the skiing down there?
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Old 09-24-2014, 05:11 PM   #25
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Silicone spray (or in a tube) lubricant is the common product for this situation in motor vehicles. I use it on my van door seals and it helps reduce freezing. An example is MotoMaster Silicone Lube at Canadian Tire; its Features includes:
Great, thanks. I think that's the same stuff I got to lube the screen door track.
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Old 09-24-2014, 05:15 PM   #26
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Couldn't find it just now, but isn't there a (possibly long) past post from Tammy estimating that the spray on foam will provide sufficient insulation down to about -8 celsius?
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The supply line from the tank in the 19 and 21 are within the heated space of the trailer so there is little issue there. I found that with the heat on inside the trailer, the tank heaters were not needed, even down to 5 degrees F. If I had them I'd use them but I did not order them on my 21' but did on my 19" Escape. The heaters would only be beneficial if you were using water, either on board or with a heated hose and filling your waste tanks for dumping. Otherwise these tanks would be empty
As far as winterizing for storage or for winter use, both procedures would be the identical preparation. Except afterwards you can use the toilet with antifreeze in lieu of water if you choose to do so.
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Old 09-24-2014, 05:47 PM   #28
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Couldn't find it just now, but isn't there a (possibly long) past post from Tammy estimating that the spray on foam will provide sufficient insulation down to about -8 celsius?
Here is an email quote from her to my buddy Scott.

"We have found the spray foam which offers an R15 insulation value retains the heat from the floor of the trailer and uses this to keep the tanks from freezing. Customers have been out camping at –15c for eight days and not had any problems with the holding tanks or their water system".
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Texas it is. How is the skiing down there?
I think you need to head west, not south. Vancouver people seem very proud of being able to walk around without a jacket (but in the rain) in the city on the same day that they drive up to the local ski slope.
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Old 09-24-2014, 05:52 PM   #30
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The supply line from the tank in the 19 and 21 are within the heated space of the trailer so there is little issue there.
Does the line come out of the top of the tank? If not, then how is the part from the tank fitting (which is presumably at the bottom of the tank) to the floor in the heated space? I do realize that it is buried in sprayed foam.
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