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Old 06-12-2019, 11:15 AM   #1
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Condensation on framed vs frameless windows

Hi all...

Has anyone out there in Escape-land had a trailer with framed windows AND had a trailer with frameless windows? Our 2016 19 framed windows create A LOT of condensation when we are anywhere other than the southwest in the fall or spring.

We're considering moving to a 21 and are wondering if frameless windows remove this problem. Do frameless windows create condensation too?

If you were ordering a new Escape now, would you choose framed or frameless windows (based strictly on functional considerations, not aesthetic).

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Old 06-12-2019, 12:31 PM   #2
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I hope that there are useful replies based on experience, but I'll just note that the "frameless" windows have fixed and moving frames, just like "framed" windows... but the "frameless" frames are covered on the outside by a layer of somewhat insulating glass. Also, the framed windows are sliders while the "frameless" are top-hinged, so they're different designs (even aside from the feature of the glass overlapping the frame).

If the concern is condensation on the frame, the frame design is relevant; if the concern is condensation on the glass, the use of double panes (called "thermal" windows) versus single panes seems like the only relevant comparison.
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Old 06-12-2019, 12:49 PM   #3
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Thanks Brian. In our 19, the frame itself seems to cause more condensation than the glass... and boy-howdy, do they cause condensation! I'm hoping the frameless windows may mitigate that issue... if so, we may consider getting frameless in spite of the concerns we have with the frameless (1. can't open windows under arms of manual awning when closed; 2. windows "flapping" while moving; 3. windows only open max ~3 inches).

Curious to hear from folks who have experience with both.
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Old 06-12-2019, 12:51 PM   #4
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Condensation is always a problem with trailers. Thermal windows help but if you cook and use propane then you will have to use the fans to clear out the moisture. Our last trailer had aluminum framing and when we were camping in damp cold weather we had to wipe even the walls if we were not using the gan to exhaust the air. We are picking up our 5TA in Aug and hope that with the extra thermal additions we will reduce this issue. You will never stop it unless you use a dehumidifier. Breathing , sweating, cooking and coming in with wet cloths all add more moisture than the air can handle and it has to go someware.
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My frames inside would sometimes have frost on them while camping with the framed windows, even framed thermopane windows. The metal frames seemed to bring he cold inside, similarly to what happens when you use aluminum vs vinyl windows in a residential application. When you heat up the trailer, then you have drips all around the windows. With the frameless windows there is definitely less even none with most of the interior window frames. I have had 2 Escapes with framed and 2 Escapes with frameless, the frameless are my current choice.
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Very helpful. Thank you!
Do your frameless windows open while traveling?
Do you find that the frameless allow for adequate airflow even though they only open ~ 3 inches?
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Old 06-12-2019, 01:46 PM   #7
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We have a 2017 19' with the frameless windows. We do get some condensation but mainly on the front non-frameless window inside frame. We found that leaving the windows on either side of the table slightly open the the ceiling fan on 10% was enough to keep a little air moving and pretty much no moisture. So we do that pretty much anytime we camp hot or cold to keep a little air moving.
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Condensation on framed vs frameless windows

Like Jim, we have owned Escapes with both framed and frameless windows, thermal double panes in both cases. Like you, Stephanie, we also experienced a lot of condensation on the frames of the framed versions. The frameless perform much better in our experience, and we would get them again in a heartbeat. We've had no issues with knobs loosening during travel, and don't find the limited opening objectionable, but do greatly appreciate being able to open them in all weather conditions due to the awning design. The only complaints we have with the frameless was that we also got one of the improperly manufactured small ones in our kitchen, which delaminated and ETI replaced under warranty.
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With the exception of the single pane front window in my 17, both trailers has the extra insulation package, with framed windows in the 17, and frameless windows in the 21. The only window I ever had condensation on was the front in the 17. I do have the advantage (at least as far as moisture generation) of traveling solo without pets.
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Like Jim, we have owned Escapes with both framed and frameless windows, thermal double panes in both cases. Like you, Stephanie, we also experienced a lot of condensation on the frames of the framed versions. The frameless perform much better in our experience, and we would get them again in a heartbeat. We've had no issues with knobs loosening during travel, and don't find the limited opening objectionable, but do greatly appreciate being able to open them in all weather conditions due to the awning design. The only complaints we have with the frameless was that we also got one of the improperly manufactured small ones in our kitchen, which delaminated and ETI replaced under warranty.
Excellent information. Thank you.
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