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Old 08-30-2014, 07:22 PM   #91
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I had a 2003 Diesel Excursion for 9 years and a couple of years ago replaced it with an Ecoboost gas F150.

The gas truck is way cheaper to maintain and operate and more than adequate to tow a molded fibreglass trailer. Can't really see the benefit of a diesel anymore... ...unless I got a huge 5th wheel or something.
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Old 08-30-2014, 08:12 PM   #92
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How about 20 mpg towing??
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Old 08-30-2014, 08:22 PM   #93
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We have a 2004 VW Jetta TDI wagon, and my wife LOVES it! She wouldn't trade it in on anything. It has been the most reliable and efficient vehicle either of us have ever owned!
In fact, we were patiently waiting for VW to bring finally bring the Tiguan here with TDI, but still hasn't happened. The rest of the world seems more important to them than NA.
Went with a used RAV4, as we couldn't find an affordable & reliable diesel SUV from anyone. That being said, who knows what the future holds??
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I had a 2003 Diesel Excursion for 9 years and a couple of years ago replaced it with an Ecoboost gas F150.

The gas truck is way cheaper to maintain and operate and more than adequate to tow a molded fibreglass trailer. Can't really see the benefit of a diesel anymore... ...unless I got a huge 5th wheel or something.
I have driven a lot of trucks, but have never experienced anything like Ford's EcoBoost for power and torque in a gasoline engine. Ditto on the lower maintenance cost. And I have been told that Ford will have a new EcoBoost option when the all aluminum body F series arrive at the dealers next February projected to get 30 mpg highway. That would be somewhere in the 20s towing. We'll see!
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How about 20 mpg towing??
Would have to do the math. My local dealer charges me $39.95 to service my truck. That includes oil, filter, tire rotation, fluids, inspection. The interval is roughly 5000-7500 miles. The truck tells me when the oil life is gone.

My diesel never got out for less than $100.00 and the interval was every 5K miles or the mileage went down, and 12 quarts of oil.

I guess I'd have to project out the mileage at the higher cost of diesel and add in the service and higher cost of the truck to see where that would scale out.

If the aluminum F150 with the new smaller Ecoboost can do it with gasoline, no diesel for me.

A TDI VW would be nice, but it can't tow my trailer. Since I retired, I got rid of my car.
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Old 08-31-2014, 09:50 AM   #96
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I'm real curious to see what insurance rates are going to be with the aluminum Ford. That certainly needs to be figured into the cost of ownership... whether someone tows or not.
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Old 08-31-2014, 02:44 PM   #97
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Part of the economic problem with typical diesel pickups (which I agree make no sense for most people, even towing) is that they are too big. We don't need 6 litres or more of engine displacement and the 400 horsepower that it can produce, and the resulting truck is so heavy that it takes a huge amount of fuel to move (in real life, not in steady-speed ideal condition highway use).

The Ram 1500 EcoDiesel's advantage is appropriate size; it has a 3 litre engine, better matched to towing an Escape than (for instance) the same manufacturer's 6.7L Ram 3500. GM's Colorado/Canyon diesel will be similarly sized, as would the vans: Ram ProMaster and (coming) Ford Transit (in their diesel versions).
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The Ram 1500 EcoDiesel's advantage is appropriate size; it has a 3 litre engine, better matched to towing an Escape than (for instance) the same manufacturer's 6.7L Ram 3500. GM's Colorado/Canyon diesel will be similarly sized, as would the vans: Ram ProMaster and (coming) Ford Transit (in their diesel versions).
I think that's an accurate statement. After alot of thought and research, we're probably going with the F150 Ecoboost V6. The Diesel Colorado would be perfect for our needs, but we simply can't wait until late 2015 for it to come out. We want to pick up in March with our new tow. Besides, the theoretical towing mpg between a gas F150 Ecoboost and a diesel Colorado would probably only be a couple mpg. Not worth the difference when you consider the cost of diesel fuel and other factors.
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I'm real curious to see what insurance rates are going to be with the aluminum Ford. That certainly needs to be figured into the cost of ownership... whether someone tows or not.
Interesting point. I'm not sure how much difference if makes, since so much repair bodywork is either involving components other than body panels, or complete replacement of body panels (in which the material doesn't matter).

There have been many models of aluminum-bodied vehicles, but usually they would be expensive to insure because they are expensive cars (such as high-end Audis or the Acura NSX). I wonder what difference aluminum has made?

Of course, the aluminum body is only for the F-150, not for any Ford with a diesel.
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I'm not sure how much difference if makes, since so much repair bodywork is either involving components other than body panels, or complete replacement of body panels (in which the material doesn't matter
That's an interesting point too. The days of Bondo are fast disappearing in body shops due to new repair techniques, and the fact that most of the time it's cheaper to replace even a partially damaged panel than trying to repair it. So the argument that aluminum panels can't be repaired in the same way as steel and would therefore make repair costs go way up is not as relevant as it used to be.
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