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Old 11-02-2014, 05:20 AM   #51
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Not unless it's a very recent standard. Neither our 2002 trailer nor our 2010 motorhome (built in the U.S., so compliant with U.S. and Canadian standards) has a roof hatch.


That makes some sense, but it only means that with the door as primary exit, the alternate exit (of an Escape) would need to be at the rear, the front, or (most practical for the bunk area of a 5.0/5.0TA) the street side. On the other hand, unless we're worried about tornadoes, falling on it's side seems like a minor concern for a trailer which is not occupied while in motion.

A bigger concern is that there be an exit which doesn't require passing the likely sources of fire, which I suppose would be the kitchen and furnace. An emergency exit anywhere in each end with a bed would be suitable in this respect.
Every Truck Camper I've seen has an escape hatch over the bed in the cab over area which is pretty much identical to the bunk area in the 5.0's.

The drivers side rear window on the 5.0TA is also an escape door.
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Old 11-02-2014, 07:37 AM   #52
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Not unless it's a very recent standard. Neither our 2002 trailer nor our 2010 motorhome (built in the U.S., so compliant with U.S. and Canadian standards) has a roof hatch.
I think Brian is correct in that there is no established standard or requirement.

Floyd does not have an escape hatch in his Scamp 13. He told me Scamp did not want to build it without one, and he told them he would not buy the trailer if they insisted upon installing one.

Back at the beginning of this thread when I raised this issue, my thought was that ETI might refuse to eliminate the hatch. If someone were to die as a result of a fire and a hatch was not in place, it could be a serious liability issue. That's not to say that the victim would have survived had an escape hatch been in place; it's just how things play out in a courtroom.

When I investigated the possibility of moving the propane QD to the rear of the trailer on my upcoming build Reace strongly resisted for safety concerns which, when he explained his reasons to me, made sense. My thought was that if it were to the rear away from the door it would be further away from foot traffic, reducing a possible tripping (over the propane hose) hazard. I agreed to leave it in the standard just in front of the door. Not trying to put words in Reace's mouth here, but my impression is that he would not agree to do something that he perceives as unsafe.
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Old 11-02-2014, 02:28 PM   #53
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Every Truck Camper I've seen has an escape hatch over the bed in the cab over area which is pretty much identical to the bunk area in the 5.0's.
It does make sense to me to have a roof vent over a bunk loft, and it also makes sense to use it as an escape hatch, especially in RVs (such as truck campers and the Escape 5.0/5.0TA) which have a short sidewall in this area. I'm not surprised that it is very common to have a roof escape hatch; I just don't see any reason that it would be required.

DiamonDiver has his reasons for not having a roof hatch, and it seems like a reasonable choice to me. We'll see if it is acceptable to ETI.
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Old 11-02-2014, 02:30 PM   #54
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Not trying to put words in Reace's mouth here, but my impression is that he would not agree to do something that he perceives as unsafe.
That's my impression, too. It is one reason to choose Escape.
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Old 11-02-2014, 05:58 PM   #55
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Many valid points. The weight at the rear of the tow, propane tank location, 48 volt Vs. 12 volt compressor systems.

I've thought long and hard about these before I originally posted. I believe that the best place for the aircon compressor and condenser is where the propane tanks are currently located, propane would be relocated to the tow vehicle with an off board installation. Once the trailer is parked, they could be stowed under the 5th wheel deck.

I would probabrly install a quad 12 volt batt 48 volt compressor or a 24 volt system with 2 twin sets of 12 volt batts. 24 volt would be easier to find control components, it is very common in marine installations.

As far as the weight aft is concerned, if a utility box can't be mounted on the rear of the trailer the bicycles and grill will go there. If the frame is as strong as I think it is it shouldn't be a problem to put that much weight there on a two axel trailer, if need be I can ballast forward. keeping the trailer within allowable weight limits of course. One nice thing about the big Ram is that I have a lot of wiggle room on the tongue weight compared to many of the smaller TVs

Once I get more details on the trailer weights and limits I can properly engineer any modifications. Axel capacity, max GVRW of the trailer and tongue weight can all be taken into account for component and cargo placement.
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In any event, I hope you get exactly what you want when all is said and done.
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Old 04-29-2015, 07:41 PM   #57
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I have heard good and bad things about the Dometic Duo-Therm Penguin 11,000 BTU air conditioner ETI installs. Since I am now considering buying one, and installing it myself, I was wondering how you who have it on their roof like it.

Please feel free to vent.
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Does the trick very well, but it's also very noisy.
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Old 04-29-2015, 07:57 PM   #59
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Does the trick very well, but it's also very noisy.
But, aren't they all, in such a small space? Even the fan in the stove hood sounds like a jet engine.
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Works for me. Much quieter than the one I had in a Casita.
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