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Old 09-07-2016, 12:16 PM   #11
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We just picked up a used 17B with the bunks up front for our family of four (kids 6 and 3). It is tight with the four of us but we came from tenting in an Subaru Outback or borrowing a VW vanagon so it is a huge increase in space and convenience. As the kids get bigger they will get to sleep in their own tent outside.

Like you, I also wanted a smaller lighter trailer so that the tow vehicle wasn't maxed out when going through the numerous mountain passes around our house. I have done the Coquihalla Hwy a few times in a VW van going 50 km/h up the major climbs and that is not fun!

The bathroom gets used by the kids and wife all the time. We have yet to use the shower yet though.
Wow, you won the lottery being able to buy a used Escape trailer. Grats! Now, you mentioned bunk(s) in the front. Does that mean there are two sleeping spaces above the two person dinette? Or is it one bed above the dinette? If it's the former, that could accommodate all of us. Thanks.

PS - I hate driving the Coquihalla. It's a car killer!
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Old 09-07-2016, 12:35 PM   #12
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Wow, you won the lottery being able to buy a used Escape trailer. Grats! Now, you mentioned bunk(s) in the front. Does that mean there are two sleeping spaces above the two person dinette? Or is it one bed above the dinette? If it's the former, that could accommodate all of us. Thanks.

PS - I hate driving the Coquihalla. It's a car killer!
We were pretty happy to buy used... I did have to drive from Vancouver to Olds, AB and back in a weekend to pick it up though!

Our 17B has a 4-person dinette in the rear that makes into a double bed and a 2-person dinette in the front that makes into a single bed. We have the bunk bed option above front dinette which gives us the forth sleeping position.

In all my research and forum reading I have yet to see a trailer with a bunk above the rear dinette for the fifth sleeping position. I would call Tammy at the ETI office and ask if they could do it as a custom option for a new build. They would need to add wall reinforcing in to carry the weight of the bunk as part of the build. I had a ton of questions before we purchased our used trailer and she gladly answered all of them.
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Old 09-07-2016, 01:06 PM   #13
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I agree that it's worth a call to ETI to see what's possible, but my guess is that putting a cot or other bunk over the rear dinette would be more challenging than the front because of the larger windows in the rear (one of which is the emergency exit window) and slightly raised floor. In other words, there is less open wall space to use for anchoring a cot or bunk, assuming the standard configuration.

What about just going for the 19? As a lifelong tent camper I get the desire for the smaller size and lighter weight of the 17, but five people plus gear and food in a 17 seems pretty tight (although at 6'4" perhaps I'm biased against the 17 on height alone). The standard layout in the 19 with the cot option would be perfect for five, assuming your Pilot is one with a 5,000 lb towing capacity. And you would also only have to take down/set up one dinette instead of two. If you haven't been inside both a 17 and 19 I would definitely do so before ordering.

We have a 19 for our family of four and it has been great. Lots of storage space but otherwise it doesn't feel too huge. We also have the cot but don't usually use it, as the dinette bed fits both my kids well. The cot is a bit of a pain to set up/take down and store in the trailer. On the one trip when we used it, I just stored it in the roof box on our SUV.
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Old 09-07-2016, 02:31 PM   #14
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I don't think you'll be comfortable using a porta potti in front of the audience you will have with you.
You might be right if it was getting used during an indoor family card game.
We camp only during the summer months and so do many with kids, and so we spend very little time indoors during daylight hours. At night, the audience is asleep.
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Old 09-07-2016, 02:40 PM   #15
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At night, the audience is asleep.
Actually, they were asleep until you pulled out the porta potti.
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Old 09-07-2016, 02:45 PM   #16
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Actually, they were asleep until you pulled out the porta potti.
you're probably right !!!
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Old 09-07-2016, 03:54 PM   #17
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It seems based on the responses that I'd probably be better off with the 19. I haven't stepped in one yet but on paper it seems the best choice save for the weight. Sure on paper my pilot can tow 5000 lbs, but reading further into the manual that's only if you're towing a boat. For a trailer it's 3500. Apparently the new 19 is heavier than the '16, adding 300+lbs. That takes it close to 3000 dry. I suppose as long as I fill up and drain the water tanks as I go it should be fine, but I don't know if I'd have much room to pack bikes/ kayaks, etc. Norhing''s ever easy, is it? FWIW, I would be keeping the extra options pretty slim (no extra insulation, microwave or AC) so it shouldn't be too bad.
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Old 09-07-2016, 04:48 PM   #18
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It seems based on the responses that I'd probably be better off with the 19. I haven't stepped in one yet but on paper it seems the best choice save for the weight. Sure on paper my pilot can tow 5000 lbs, but reading further into the manual that's only if you're towing a boat. For a trailer it's 3500. Apparently the new 19 is heavier than the '16, adding 300+lbs. That takes it close to 3000 dry. I suppose as long as I fill up and drain the water tanks as I go it should be fine, but I don't know if I'd have much room to pack bikes/ kayaks, etc. Norhing''s ever easy, is it? FWIW, I would be keeping the extra options pretty slim (no extra insulation, microwave or AC) so it shouldn't be too bad.
You should be fine. I towed an '09 19 with an '09 Pilot with no troubles. My brother is going to give it a go with his '10 Pilot when he picks his '17 19 up soon, and it only has a 4,500 lb towing capacity.

A trailer is a trailer, and I really see no difference for towing. Maybe the frontal area being larger on a travel trailer is all.
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Old 09-07-2016, 04:48 PM   #19
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Sure on paper my pilot can tow 5000 lbs, but reading further into the manual that's only if you're towing a boat. For a trailer it's 3500. Apparently the new 19 is heavier than the '16, adding 300+lbs. .
3500 capacity would be cutting it too close for my comfort, especially assuming five people in the Pilot and any kind of mountainous driving. Interesting that Honda provides a higher limit for a boat, though.
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Old 09-07-2016, 04:52 PM   #20
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It seems based on the responses that I'd probably be better off with the 19. I haven't stepped in one yet but on paper it seems the best choice save for the weight. Sure on paper my pilot can tow 5000 lbs, but reading further into the manual that's only if you're towing a boat. For a trailer it's 3500. Apparently the new 19 is heavier than the '16, adding 300+lbs. That takes it close to 3000 dry. I suppose as long as I fill up and drain the water tanks as I go it should be fine, but I don't know if I'd have much room to pack bikes/ kayaks, etc. Norhing''s ever easy, is it? FWIW, I would be keeping the extra options pretty slim (no extra insulation, microwave or AC) so it shouldn't be too bad.
Sounds like a plan. One thing though to consider - the extra insulation package is WELL worth the money, and it doesn't add substantial weight to the rig. Just a thought.
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