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Old 10-27-2014, 02:58 PM   #41
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Our 21 came with scissors jacks couple of months ago. I had them add footpads for $25.
The 21' on display at ETI's factory earlier this year had C-Jacks, which provide vertical support and lateral stability; the other models had the same jacks or other similar single-leg stabilizing jacks. I believe they have been the standard at ETI for some time.

I don't understand why anyone would want scissors jacks in this situation, which don't provide lateral stability.

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I think what this means for me is: when I bring my 17 home next summer, and I see that picky highway patrol guy around, I'll turn on the MAXXFAN full blast, leave the door shut, and the partial vacuum will pull in the trailer sides to 2031 mm.
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Old 10-27-2014, 03:01 PM   #42
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Hi Don last Nov. when we brought our trailer home taking our time passing many highway patrol , police , sheriffs . We were never stopped . Didn't even have the license plate yet . Called highway patrol before and was told just need our bill of sale . You have 20 days after you take possession . Also you have to go to DMV and they check it out for compliance especially since it is a out of United States purchase . Don't stress . Take care Pat
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Old 10-27-2014, 03:03 PM   #43
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The 5.0 TA are the "C" style you link to, they also came without the foot, which is kind of strange.
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Old 10-27-2014, 03:08 PM   #44
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And another question as to the high lift situation. Which 19's or do all have high lift? Thought it became standard at some time. Are 21's high lift?
I'm not sure what this is supposed to mean. "High lift" would mean that it is higher than something else - if all are the same height, then none of them are "high".

Various members have posted here that the optional Escape high-lift kit is a spacer between the frame and the Torflex axle assembly. None of the display/demo trailers at the Chilliwack factory had such a spacer in them when I visited earlier this year.

With some brands, high-lift means that the Torflex axle is ordered with a steeper "start angle": the suspension arm is angled further down from horizontal than the non-high-lift version of the same trailer. I don't know if ETI has ever offered a choice of start angles.

Another way to change height with a Torflex is to choose between the low-profile and high-profile brackets which are part of the axle assembly. That makes a 0.82" difference in ride height. Again, I don't know if this has ever been a choice from ETI (I think they're all high-profile).

The ride height of some Escape models (at least including the 17') has changed over the years, due to tire changes and probably suspension changes.
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Old 10-27-2014, 03:17 PM   #45
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The 21' on display at ETI's factory earlier this year had C-Jacks, which provide vertical support and lateral stability; the other models had the same jacks or other similar single-leg stabilizing jacks. I believe they have been the standard at ETI for some time.

I don't understand why anyone would want scissors jacks in this situation, which don't provide lateral stability.


I'm having trouble visualizing how the C jacks could provide any more stability than a scissor jack?
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Old 10-27-2014, 03:19 PM   #46
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High lift means higher than on a standard Escape. High lift has been offered on Escapes from many years back. It may or may not have anything to do with the kit for 5ers, as far as the other models go.
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Old 10-27-2014, 03:48 PM   #47
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I'm having trouble visualizing how the C jacks could provide any more stability than a scissor jack?
Fair question...
Imagine looking at one of the C-Jacks (or any similar single-leg jack) from behind the trailer. The main leg of the jack sits diagonally between the ground and the drive screw which is in the crossmember across the frame, so any force which tries to move the trailer body laterally (side-to-side) is braced by the jack leg. In contrast, the base and top of the scissors jack is small, and thus not a stiff connection, so it mostly just acts like a pole - maintaining height firmly, but not doing much about lateral movement.

Tongue jacks and fifth-wheel landing gear are really wobbly - perhaps worse than scissors jacks.
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Hi Don last Nov. when we brought our trailer home taking our time passing many highway patrol , police , sheriffs . We were never stopped . Didn't even have the license plate yet . Called highway patrol before and was told just need our bill of sale . You have 20 days after you take possession . Also you have to go to DMV and they check it out for compliance especially since it is a out of United States purchase . Don't stress . Take care Pat
Thanks, Pat. That's good to know.
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Fair question...
Imagine looking at one of the C-Jacks (or any similar single-leg jack) from behind the trailer. The main leg of the jack sits diagonally between the ground and the drive screw which is in the crossmember across the frame, so any force which tries to move the trailer body laterally (side-to-side) is braced by the jack leg. In contrast, the base and top of the scissors jack is small, and thus not a stiff connection, so it mostly just acts like a pole - maintaining height firmly, but not doing much about lateral movement.

Tongue jacks and fifth-wheel landing gear are really wobbly - perhaps worse than scissors jacks.
A scissor jack also is essentially one triangle above and one below with the screw being the hypotenuse of each. We have scissor jacks on our 17B and it is firmly stable when they are down. I don't want to hijack this thread with a lengthy discussion of this so I'll just concede the point that they aren't stable.
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Old 10-27-2014, 04:05 PM   #50
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High lift means higher than on a standard Escape.
Okay, so "high lift" doesn't mean anything any more if there is no choice, since they're all standard in that case. Is the current 21' the same height as a previous high-lift option for that trailer? I don't know, but as I said the 2014 model which I saw earlier didn't have a spacer between frame and axle.

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It may or may not have anything to do with the kit for 5ers, as far as the other models go.
The original 5.0 has the same main frame and suspension as a 17'.
Reace said that the 5.0TA would be easily changed to suit the truck towing it; since this model (and only this model) has a leaf-spring suspension, that means spacer blocks between springs and axle beam, or switching between underslung and overslung configurations (springs under the axle beam for lower ride, or above the axle beam for about 4" higher ride). Multiple 5.0TA's have been produced, apparently at both heights, but I have yet to see a description of the height adjustment method (and the model didn't exist yet for me to look at when I was at the factory most recently). Neither is anything like the spacer used with the Torflex axles of the other models.
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