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Old 01-18-2014, 08:27 PM   #131
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to continue the safety chain discussion, I'm thinking about a set of these
I bought a set of those cables thinking it would be faster to connect the trailer. Ended up not installing them.
When I finally looked at the existing chain connection to the trailer I realized that the end chain link is looped onto a solid round bar which is welded in place on the trailer. Would have to torch off the chain and connect the cable with a chain link or some other method. That or cut the bar, slide on the cable loop and then re-weld the bar back.

What I would like to do is add a solid spacer onto the bar to keep the chains to the outside ends of the bar, left and right sides. They tend to migrate towards the center of the bar. I think that with the chains kept apart it would be a better geometric layout should the chains ever have to support a decoupled trailer. Just a thought!
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Old 01-19-2014, 09:17 AM   #132
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OK, I understand, thanks. So I'm estimating 25" working length, until it is confirmed. I'm trying to determine if a 24" coil or some other arrangement will work that appears to be "custom" made for the correct length. Then work on the power and emergency cords.
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Old 01-19-2014, 02:12 PM   #133
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When I finally looked at the existing chain connection to the trailer I realized that the end chain link is looped onto a solid round bar which is welded in place on the trailer...

What I would like to do is add a solid spacer onto the bar to keep the chains to the outside ends of the bar, left and right sides. They tend to migrate towards the center of the bar. I think that with the chains kept apart it would be a better geometric layout should the chains ever have to support a decoupled trailer.
I have only a vague memory of seeing this arrangement, but I think I understand: the two chains are both on the same bar which is welded to the tongue (on the bottom of the tongue, if I recall correctly).

This is not good for two reasons:
  1. the chains are not spread apart to create the X-shaped "cradle" that is desired to keep the tongue up if the chains are ever needed (and indeed if you hook them up in an X they will be pulled toward each other)
  2. more importantly (in my opinion) the anchoring arrangements are not independent, so if the bar breaks or its weld fails on one side then both chains come off.

Rather than modify this arrangement to keep the chains apart, I think I would ditch it entirely and make new anchor points for the chains, one per side.
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Old 01-19-2014, 02:29 PM   #134
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When I hitch up I will slip it through the hitch and attach the end of it back somewhere on the chain using the quickLink connector.
Why? So you can adjust working length for different tow vehicles, perhaps? To avoid cutting off excess chain length?

My older Boler has weird hardware on the end of each chain which only links into the same chain, so I need to double it back this way and hook it in a position which gives the right working length. This means that if the chains ever need to do their job, all the force will be against the side of a chain link, which will be weak compared to a properly attached fitting.

There are lots of forms of hooks (or just quick links, depending on the hitch's chain loop design) which can directly connect to the chain loop. I would rather use one of them attached to the correct chain link so that hook on the end of the chain is simply snapped onto the chain loop - right length every time, with every part of the system properly loaded. This is how my utility trailer is set up.

Rental trailers (U-Haul, specifically) routinely use Myron's method of looping through the hitch's chain loop and hooking back on themselves, but they need to be long with a way to take up the slack, due to the wide range of hitch arrangements. They typically use a grab hook for this purpose; grab hooks slip over a single link and stay in that position on the chain, but unfortunately they almost never have a safety latch so a quick link is more secure.
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Old 01-19-2014, 05:22 PM   #135
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To handle the issue re: where the chains are attached to the trailer via a bar and the ends can move, install a piece of rubber hose split down the middle between the chains, that will keep them apart and give you your triangle opening. an old trick
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Old 01-19-2014, 06:58 PM   #136
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"Why? So you can adjust working length for different tow vehicles, perhaps? To avoid cutting off excess chain length?"

Yep. Why cut chains down and then not be able to adjust working slack length to the tow vehicle(s). True that does mean every time I chain-up I gotta remember what linkage works best. I'm fine with that.
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Old 01-19-2014, 07:33 PM   #137
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I keep forgetting to mark the links on my WDH. Is it hooked on third link? Or three links hanging?
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Old 01-19-2014, 08:59 PM   #138
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Glenn, I solved that dilemma by using nail polish! I bought bright pink stuff at the dollar store and painted the proper link. I have touched it up a bit over the years, but there is no question and no memory effort!
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Old 01-19-2014, 09:09 PM   #139
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Glenn: I use a red cable tie to mark the link. Works great and won't wear off.
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Excellent. Thank you.
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