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Old 01-27-2015, 02:02 PM   #121
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Think the problem could be flexing going down the road which eventually loosens the seal .we had to keep going to glass man to reseal . He used what is used for windshield sealing . It would loosen up after awhile . We had our camper and motor home 12 and 11 years . Not trying to tell you what to do . Just sharing experience.
I would think an automotive type caulk would not be the best, and possibly a reason for failing. It cures to be quite hard, with the intention of making the window an integral part of a vehicle's strength. If RV butyl caulking was installed, it would do much better, as it remains flexible for(just about)ever. I know the stuff I cleaned off the 38 year old trailer was still flexible. The only water ingress came mostly through screw holes holding the window in place.
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Old 01-27-2015, 02:14 PM   #122
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Windshields are installed with urethane, this product stays fairly flexible and if the proper preparation is done it becomes structural. I have installed RV window and vents etc. with urethane and no screws or fasteners of any kind.
Butyl tape on the other hand remains temperature sensitive and will reseal every time it gets hot, thus the little bubbles of it that leak out around the window frames in hot weather. Either product if installed properly should never fail. Just saying....

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Old 01-27-2015, 02:35 PM   #123
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Windshields are installed with urethane, this product stays fairly flexible and if the proper preparation is done it becomes structural. I have installed RV window and vents etc. with urethane and no screws or fasteners of any kind.
Butyl tape on the other hand remains temperature sensitive and will reseal every time it gets hot, thus the little bubbles of it that leak out around the window frames in hot weather. Either product if installed properly should never fail. Just saying....

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Remember it was black but not hard . Kind of gooey a little . I guess not exactly what was used when they replaced my truck window which is hard .He didn't use any screws or fasteners . Just put the window in a bed of this sealant .
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I always assumed the car windshield caulk hardened, as they never allow me to drive it for a short while, and then say not to be too rough for the next day or so. Could be just that some of the solvents first have to gas off first.
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Old 01-27-2015, 04:26 PM   #125
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I always assumed the car windshield caulk hardened, as they never allow me to drive it for a short while, and then say not to be too rough for the next day or so. Could be just that some of the solvents first have to gas off first.
True Jim that is what we were told and it was suppose to be a permanent fix . I think back now and it wasn't like what was used on my truck . It did stay somewhat flexible and needed to be scraped off . All we remember never want a window above my head again because of our experience. And it was cold . The front window on our Escape is at the dinette and lower and we don't sleep there. After all said and done everyone needs to do what makes them happy . We were just sharing our experiences .
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Old 01-27-2015, 05:36 PM   #126
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Okay, it's your trailer your decision. But unless you want to get on your hands and knees and look outside, that front window won't do you much. During the day, looking at the front window.. you'll be looking at the sky.. not your tug or the road in front.

When Scamp first built their "5ver" it came standard with a front non-opening window in the loft. Five years later a BUNCH of folks that complained at leaks on the bed, they made the front window an option... sometime early 20?? they changed the mold to no longer accept a front window. WHY? In a driving rain the nose under tow... water just finds it's way inside! Even monster stickbuilt 5ers don't have front nose windows (okay, I've seen a few, but they have a fiberglass nose cone that wraps around the entire front end). I miss the front window, it's in my Scamp, but water intrution and some of the horror stories I've read over the years makes me glad Ten Forward is "slick" on the nose. YMMV

Years ago, prior to ETI building even the first 5.0... I thought a Scamp 5er deluxe was in my future. What I really didn't like was sleeping side-to-side with my head in one window and feet in the other. With the ETI standard build my head and feet aren't in a window... you're planning with your head right there... in a window.
Agree, prior to owning a Bigfoot Camper and now the Escape 5.0 we had a number of other campers, all with front windows. They leaked big time. In those days the bed was east/west so guess who had his back(side) up against the cold glass. I wouldn't want a front window. I'm all for minimizing the number of holes that are cut into the fiberglass.
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Old 01-27-2015, 06:07 PM   #127
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I always assumed the car windshield caulk hardened, as they never allow me to drive it for a short while, and then say not to be too rough for the next day or so. Could be just that some of the solvents first have to gas off first.
The urethane adhesive currently used to bond windshields into cars needs to cure (which could mean evaporating solvents, but not necessarily), which doesn't mean it becomes hard. Although this is not silicone, think of silicone sealants that cure to a still-flexible but no longer liquid state. Older cars had windshields which were not bonded into the structure - they would have used a different sealant, and depend on a mechanical retaining method (as our trailer windows do). Neither type of windshield sealant is normally used for RV windows (putty with butyl for elasticity is common), although polymer adhesive/sealants (such as the Sikaflex products) are sometimes used this way.
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Old 01-27-2015, 06:12 PM   #128
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The urethane adhesive currently used to bond windshields into cars needs to cure (which could mean evaporating solvents, but not necessarily), which doesn't mean it becomes hard. Although this is not silicone, think of silicone sealants that cure to a still-flexible but no longer liquid state. Older cars had windshields which were not bonded into the structure - they would have used a different sealant, and depend on a mechanical retaining method (as our trailer windows do). Neither type of windshield sealant is normally used for RV windows (putty with butyl for elasticity is common), although polymer adhesive/sealants (such as the Sikaflex products) are sometimes used this way.
For all that have a front window in your escape travel trailers, have you been having any leakage problems.

thanks for ur reply.

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Old 01-27-2015, 06:52 PM   #129
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I have an opening front window ( no longer available) which is protected by a rock guard. The rock guard helps keep water out when traveling and serves as an awning at camp so we can have the front window open in the rain. Unfortunately the manufacturer of the window/rock guard discontinued it.
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Old 01-27-2015, 07:59 PM   #130
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Wish the manufacturer still provided these for ETI--looks like a great window.
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