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Old 06-19-2016, 11:08 PM   #1
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Inaugaral trip in 19 Classic

I just returned to Calgary from 9 nights in my new Escape 19 Classic after picking it up in Chilliwack on June 10. I thought this might help prospective Escape owners. I previously owned an Escape 17B and sold it last September.
I spent two nights at Cottonwood Meadows right near Escape (in case any problems and to check hookups), then went to Cultus Lake Delta Grove for three nights, Paul Lake near Kamloops for 2 nights, and Martha Creek near Revelstoke for 2 nights.
I didn't have a WDH on my FJ Cruiser for towing the 17B but ordered one for the 19. I would highly recommend, and I would also highly recommend having Escape install it during the pickup. Also I would recommend the power tongue jack it will make life with the WDH much easier.
Towing with the FJ felt good, no problem maintaining at least 90 km/hr on all the grades except for the steep pitch coming out of the snow shed on the Coquihalla. Dropped to 80 there. For all you Toyota fans the FJ easily handles the 17 and 19 but I think a Sequoia or Tundra needed for anything bigger. Not sure about the Tacoma.
I considered getting the Springfield table after reading all the criticisms of the standard table but decided against. Standard table works just fine.
Still happy I went for custom floor, fabric and formica.
The bed in the 19 is great and so much better than the one in the 17. I have a 2" memory foam topper on it and it feels like home. I love having the bed made up all the time.
The 19 feels more spacious particularly in the kitchen and bathroom.
I'm glad I turned the stove 90 degrees, and the large refrigerator with separate freezer door works great. Love the matte stainless finish.
There is a lot more storage inside the 19, I just need to figure out the optimal way to use it. The big space under the bed has lots of potential.
I'm happy with the two drawers I had installed under the wardrobe, drawers work well for RV storage.
I purchased a set of Bal X-chocks from Escape they seem to add extra stability when camped.
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Old 06-19-2016, 11:36 PM   #2
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Good to read you had a good trip, glad to read you are happy with your 19. Who knows we might see you "cruising" around in Alberta sometime
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Old 06-20-2016, 12:29 AM   #3
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Awesome shake down. Again, Congrats on the new 19, Hugh.
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Congrats Hugh. One trip down, hopefully many more to come.


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Old 06-20-2016, 09:52 AM   #5
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Towing with the FJ felt good, no problem maintaining at least 90 km/hr on all the grades except for the steep pitch coming out of the snow shed on the Coquihalla. Dropped to 80 there. For all you Toyota fans the FJ easily handles the 17 and 19 but I think a Sequoia or Tundra needed for anything bigger. Not sure about the Tacoma.
That's why we're getting a Tundra for our 21'. The Tacoma will need replacing eventually, so Dirk said to pick the trailer I wanted and not assume it'll get towed with the FJ.

Have fun in your new trailer and I'm sure you'll have the space situation figured out after a few trips.
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Old 06-20-2016, 12:28 PM   #6
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For all you Toyota fans the FJ easily handles the 17 and 19 but I think a Sequoia or Tundra needed for anything bigger. Not sure about the Tacoma.
We have a 19 and a 2105 Toyota Tacoma, V6 automatic with the tow package and we experience a significant drop in speed when going up grades. When we went up the Coquihalla, the speed dropped to about 60kph with the transmission shifting down to third gear and about 3500 RPM ! Not good for the gas consumption. Same thing when we went from Manning Park over to Osoyoos for the rally this year. Although we really love our Tacoma, I'm a bit disappointed in its performance on hills when towing.

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Old 06-20-2016, 03:15 PM   #7
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We have a 19 and a 2105 Toyota Tacoma, V6 automatic with the tow package and we experience a significant drop in speed when going up grades. When we went up the Coquihalla, the speed dropped to about 60kph with the transmission shifting down to third gear and about 3500 RPM !
Okay, but at 3500 rpm the engine wasn't really working hard, and was producing roughly half of its peak power. If the transmission wouldn't shift down further by itself that's a transmission programming issue or an unfortunate gearing choice (either of which can be frustrating and a performance problem in itself)... but the engine has enough power if allowed to use it.

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I don't have the full power/torque curves of the Tacoma engine available, but we do know that at full throttle and 4000 rpm it is putting out (at sea level) 202 hp. 4500 will be something under 227 hp. At only 3000 rpm, it will be producing significantly less torque, at lower speed, for something much less than 150 hp. This is a reasonable speed range in which to run the engine continuously, and it's probably quite efficient in that range, but at the lower end it is putting out less than half its peak power. If you're willing to keep it at the top of that range - or higher - there is a lot more power available.
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Old 06-20-2016, 03:19 PM   #8
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Step on the gas.
I go up the Coquihalla at 90 kph towing my 17B with a RAV4 V6.
I slow to 80 kph when I hit the steepest section at the snow shed.
I'm towing in 4 and let the transmission do its job.
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Any of the grades such as experienced on the Coquihalla and the Allison Pass at Manning are a challenge between speed and reasonable fuel consumption when towing.
Pick one.

For a truck engine, the Tacoma's peak torque is pretty high up in the rev band, around 4500 rpm or so.
I suspect when hoofing up the inclines at those rpm's it's not singing a pretty tune.
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For a truck engine, the Tacoma's peak torque is pretty high up in the rev band, around 4500 rpm or so.
I suspect when hoofing up the inclines at those rpm's it's not singing a pretty tune.
It's in a truck, but it's the same engine family as in nearly every other Toyota/Lexus vehicle with a V6, and the same specific engine as some others.
  • 2004-2015 Tacoma: 1GR-FE (same as most Toyota & Lexus body-on-frame trucks and SUVs, same "GR" family as Camry, Highlander, Sienna, RAV4, etc)
  • 2016- Tacoma: 2GR-FKS (same as Lexus GS 350 sedan, Lexus RX 350 SUV, Toyota Highlander SUV)
In light-duty vehicles (which includes pickup trucks), there is essentially no distinction between a "car engine" and a "truck engine"; if anything, it's a slight tuning difference. For instance, a Chevy pickup, a Camaro, and a base Corvette - each with the 6.2L GM small-block V8 - get the same engine, but tuned for 455 hp @ 6000 rpm in the cars and 420 hp @ 5600 rpm in the trucks.

My earlier (so different engine family) Toyota V6 is perfectly happy at 4500 rpm; I have no idea why a Tacoma engine wouldn't be fine with that speed. It is going to burn fuel at a high rate and make some noise...
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