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Old 04-01-2015, 03:59 PM   #41
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Baglo's don't look like the C-Jack, or the Light Trailer jack, or even the Deluxe/T-Jack. They might be another brand, other than BAL.
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Mine cannot be used to lift the trailer.
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The method I suggested does not "lift" the front of the trailer with the stabilizers, you simply snug the stabilizers down to the ground, and then release the weight off the front jack.
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Old 04-01-2015, 04:24 PM   #42
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When Tammy demonstrated for me she said to open until there is resistance and then go 1/4 turn more ( and no more ).
So, the technique may work for me, or it may not.
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Old 04-03-2015, 05:10 PM   #43
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Baglo's don't look like the C-Jack, or the Light Trailer jack, or even the Deluxe/T-Jack. They might be another brand, other than BAL.

That's fine, because:
Glenn has the same BAL jacks I have on my 17B. The data sheet states they are Light Trailer Jacks, has multiple warnings not to use them to "lift" the trailer, not to use them to support the weight of the trailer, and only use them to stabilize it. They are Model 23025.

Again, even if you have stabilizers that are capable of lifting the trailer, because they are positioned at the extreme ends of the frame, it is probably not a good idea to lift from those locations. While the frame of an Escape is substantial, there is the possibility of bending it when lifting from the standard location of the stabilizer jacks.
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Old 04-04-2015, 01:35 AM   #44
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Congratulations on fitting in your garage! I'm jealous. BTW…was that you headed to the coast on Saturday, 3/30, about 2:00PM? We were headed back to Portland and noticed a 17 with red graphics. We crossed too quickly to flash lights, toot horn, etc.
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Old 04-04-2015, 02:33 PM   #45
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Glenn has the same BAL jacks I have on my 17B. The data sheet states they are Light Trailer Jacks.
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They are Model 23025.
Thanks. The foot of the jacks in Glenn's photo didn't match the current BAL photo, but details change wth time.

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... has multiple warnings not to use them to "lift" the trailer, not to use them to support the weight of the trailer, and only use them to stabilize it.
Again, no one is suggesting lifting the trailer with these jacks, just holding it while a block is added under the tongue jack.

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Again, even if you have stabilizers that are capable of lifting the trailer, because they are positioned at the extreme ends of the frame, it is probably not a good idea to lift from those locations. While the frame of an Escape is substantial, there is the possibility of bending it when lifting from the standard location of the stabilizer jacks.
First, we're not talking about supporting the whole weight of the trailer, just a small portion. As for the location, if holding the front up with jacks under the front of the frame would bend it, then holding the tongue up with the hitch or tongue jack would make it fold in the same place.

Of course, everyone needs to make their own decisions, but I haven't seen any information here which suggests that the two jacks under the front of the trailer are not suitable for supporting the front of the trailer without the tongue jack.
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Old 04-04-2015, 02:42 PM   #46
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Only one way to find out Brian. You'll just have to buy an Escape and try it.
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They are suitable for supporting the front of the trailer. I have removed my jack when it was supported by the stabilizers. But, support is one thing, raising up from a static position is another and how would you raise both simultaneously?
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Old 04-04-2015, 03:32 PM   #48
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They are suitable for supporting the front of the trailer.
The problem with that sentence is that it doesn't specify what "they" are. There are different stabilizers and different stabilizers have been used on various trailers.
So, when Tammy tells me not to crank the stabilizer down more than a quarter turn after it is firmly on the ground, I think I should follow her advice.

In many cases on the forums, people are posting information based on misinformation or misunderstanding. In the case of this thread, the term "jacks" is often used, and my stabilizers definitely are not "jacks".
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I agree, to me a jack can raise or lower, a stabilizer just keeps it static. When I say "They" I mean the stabilizers will support the trailer. Would I leave it that way, NO. It was temporary and I had jack stands as a back up.
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Old 04-04-2015, 09:05 PM   #50
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They are suitable for supporting the front of the trailer. I have removed my jack when it was supported by the stabilizers. But, support is one thing, raising up from a static position is another and how would you raise both simultaneously?
No one is suggesting raising the trailer with the stabilizer jacks, simultaneously or otherwise.

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So, when Tammy tells me not to crank the stabilizer down more than a quarter turn after it is firmly on the ground, I think I should follow her advice.
No one is suggesting cranking the stabilizers down any more after they are on the ground, so there is no conflict with this instruction from Tammy.

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In many cases on the forums, people are posting information based on misinformation or misunderstanding. In the case of this thread, the term "jacks" is often used, and my stabilizers definitely are not "jacks".
The stabilizer jacks are most certainly jacks. Well, at least the industry that makes them, the company that makes the ones used by Escape, and people who write dictionaries think so, anyway.

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I agree, to me a jack can raise or lower, a stabilizer just keeps it static.
Many jacks raise and lower under load, but not all. A stabilizing jack is an example of the meaning Merriam-Webster lists as
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I think some people are getting distracted by the word "jack" and not reading the description of the suggested procedure, even though it has been repeated several times.
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