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Old 01-09-2015, 04:32 PM   #51
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Old 01-09-2015, 04:36 PM   #52
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While I didn't get to see this last winter, Lake Ontario, with the combination of cold temperatures (4F) and high winds has created 10' high ice mounds on the shore. Might not be a good day to take out the kayak!
Hi: Vermilye... It's so cold here we're having "Cryosesium's"...
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Old 01-09-2015, 08:12 PM   #53
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Me, I just drive circles around them in my big ass 4x4.
On the other hand, I drive a compact two-wheel-drive car with winter tires. Living in a rural area, I have never (in the couple of decades I've been in this location) had difficulty driving in to work and home... past the many 4X4's in the ditch (none of which are Jim, of course ).
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On the other hand, I drive a compact two-wheel-drive car with winter tires. Living in a rural area, I have never (in the couple of decades I've been in this location) had difficulty driving in to work and home... past the many 4X4's in the ditch (none of which are Jim, of course ).
You do know that 4x4 's stop faster on glare / black ice. Just ask their owners when they get out of the ditch
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Old 01-09-2015, 08:20 PM   #55
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You 2x4 drivers are just jealous.
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Old 01-09-2015, 08:33 PM   #56
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On the other hand, I drive a compact two-wheel-drive car with winter tires. Living in a rural area, I have never (in the couple of decades I've been in this location) had difficulty driving in to work and home... past the many 4X4's in the ditch (none of which are Jim, of course ).
A good point. It's more about driving skill, although a well equipped vehicle makes it better. I remember a couple decades ago when I was in the Police Academy and we had to navigate through an obstacle course in a patrol car as part of tactical driving training. There were traffic cones everywhere. The object was to negotiate the course, sometimes going forward, and sometimes in reverse, as fast as possible, without knocking over any of the cones. I and a few others had a clear run, but most students knocked over multiple cones. I think it's because many folks don't have a "sense" of their vehicle -- where the corners are, where the wheels are, and what the vehicle is doing. They think you just 'point and shoot'. Mix in a little bad weather and that can spell disaster.
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Old 01-09-2015, 08:52 PM   #57
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Grew up in Wisconsin, so driving in snow/ice is not my problem. The other drivers are!

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Old 01-09-2015, 08:57 PM   #58
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You might be interested in this report

http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/research/rep...orts/551.1.pdf
Interesting. I have not yet had a chance to read the whole report, but just this statement shows that this 2002 report is not about current studded tires:
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The cost of studless tires is significantly higher than studded tires—by approximately 50 percent.
There are no longer distinctly different "studless" tires - there are winter tires which...
  1. are only available with studs
  2. are available with or without studs
  3. cannot be studded
Other than provision for studs, the construction of these tires (tread compound, tread pattern, carcass construction) is similar, and all available in a range of prices. Studdable tires have specific tread blocks which are arranged to be stable to accept a stud; non-studdable tires don't have any of these blocks. The other tread blocks are similar in either case.

A highly regarded brand for winter tires is Nokian. I currently use their non-studded (or "studless") Hakkapeliitta R2, and I am considering the studded Hakkapeliitta 8 for the next set. They are similar other than the studs, and as these links to the exclusive local distributor show, the price of the studded tires is a few dollars more than the non-studded... due to the extra cost of the studs.

Although there are many references to the Bridgestone Blizzak (enough to suspect bias), the specific studded tires used in tests was not apparent to me in a quick skim; I doubt any of them were modern winter tires.

I do appreciate the study authors' point that studs are useful only on ice... as we already realize. Ice is a frequent surface condition here.
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You do know that 4x4 's stop faster on glare / black ice. Just ask their owners when they get out of the ditch

Exactly!
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Old 01-09-2015, 08:59 PM   #60
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You 2x4 drivers are just jealous.
Nah... I think the 4x4 drivers are jealous of our fuel economy and handling.
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