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Old 02-01-2014, 04:38 PM   #31
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possibly because they are only filled to 80% ??
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Old 02-01-2014, 04:45 PM   #32
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I have four 20 lb. one 10 lb. and used to have a 5 lb. until it aged out.
I found the 10 lb. is the perfect balance of longevity and ease of transport. I use it for my Weber Q.
Only problem with the smaller tanks is some staff at gas stations are poorly trained and don't know how to fill them. They've only been told what to do with 20 lb. tanks. And, you can't use an exchange program.
I fill tanks at my Husky / Mowhawk station where they charge by the pound, not per fill ( and I get CAA points ).
I'd guess that Walmart's exchange program is designed to lock you into returning to Walmart.
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Old 02-01-2014, 04:49 PM   #33
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possibly because they are only filled to 80% ??
20 lbs. of propane is the max. in a 20 lb. tank ( which actually weighs about 37 lbs, full ).
20 lb. tank is descriptive of capacity, not the actual weight.
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Old 02-01-2014, 05:41 PM   #34
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Here is an example of a gotcha in the propane industry. The tanks sold through an exchange program are typically not filled. If you do a search on fill vs exchange you will see that exchange tanks are filled with 15 lbs, that is not weight lbs but propane capacity. So on a 20 pound tank you are only getting 3/4ths of a tank.

If you do the math you will see that you are also paying a substantially higher cost per pound than a refill. It always pay to refill.
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Old 02-01-2014, 05:42 PM   #35
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When refilling my old 20 pounders at a station I think the guy either set the thing on a scale and stopped filling when it reached 20 pounds, or he stopped the fill when a pressure indicator indicated full. Don't recall exactly.

So I don't like it when I see WalMart, or Home Depot, or any exchange your tanks system is giving 15 pounds instead of the true tank capacity. If it's a fifteen pound tank then fine, don't give me 10 pounds of gas, give me fifteen!

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Old 02-01-2014, 11:06 PM   #36
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The 15-pounds in a 20-pound tank situation has already been well-explained.

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When refilling my old 20 pounders at a station I think the guy either set the thing on a scale and stopped filling when it reached 20 pounds, or he stopped the fill when a pressure indicator indicated full. Don't recall exactly.
The amount of fill can be determined by
  • weight (using a scale)... which should of course be 20 pounds plus that specific tank's empty weight (and most operators assume all tanks weigh the same so they really just look for that 37 pound total that Baglo mentioned)
  • liquid appearing at the open 80% level bleed valve (if so equipped and used)
  • the flow stopping because the Overfill Prevention Device (OPD - a safety valve in the tank) closed due to its float reaching the maximium fill level... only if the operator is incompetent or negligent.
There is no way to use pressure, except for the pressure spiking really high because the OPD slammed shut; that is, it's not like charging a battery and stopping according to voltage.
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In previous discussions in other forums, I first learned about this deliberate underfilling. Although they previously used a bogus claim regarding OPD valves to excuse their underfilling practice, Blue Rhino now says right upfront (okay, buried in the FAQ...) that they do this: How much propane does Blue Rhino put in its tanks?. The practice is apparently common. Local exchange tank distributors here do the same thing... and yes, the amount of propane is marked on the label.

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I just checked another Blue Rhino FAQ, and they still report a completely false and fraudulent statement in their section regarding the effect of temperature on pressure. Just another reason not to give these people any money, in my opinion.
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I just checked another Blue Rhino FAQ, and they still report a completely false and fraudulent statement in their section regarding the effect of temperature on pressure. Just another reason not to give these people any money, in my opinion.
Which part of that section is false? The sentence "It is worth noting..."?
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Old 02-02-2014, 10:25 AM   #39
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At the U-Haul where I get mine refilled - they used to do it by weight, but now charge by the gallon, with on inline meter - (the same method the LP truck that delivers to our 500 gallon tank uses.)

Side note, here in Wisconsin, bulk LP price has gone up by as much as 3-4x due to supply problems. I'm glad I won't have to fill this winter.
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As in all things, the price is the price. If you need the gas you pay the price. The galling thing is this: would anybody start out on a big trip with a gasoline tank that's not topped off?
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