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Old 09-28-2013, 07:57 PM   #51
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Reading these build sheets is making me rethink the Group 29 battery thing and I'm searching with limited success for threads where it is compared to the two 6 volt. We'll have the larger frig and tend to stay in national parks with no hookups for up to two weeks. We'll also have the solar panel and we can be frugal with electrical use -- Any thoughts?
Ruthe, you may find value in this thread, it addresses converters, batteries and solar: Converter question
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Old 09-28-2013, 08:36 PM   #52
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Reading these build sheets is making me rethink the Group 29 battery thing and I'm searching with limited success for threads where it is compared to the two 6 volt. We'll have the larger frig and tend to stay in national parks with no hookups for up to two weeks. We'll also have the solar panel and we can be frugal with electrical use -- Any thoughts?
In a nutshell, you calculate your 12 volt need requirements from 6 pm to 6 am, for example, lights, pump, fan, furnace, tv may draw 30 amps from your battery. Your bank with a group 29 single battery has about 50 amps available to use. But what happens is the next morning, when the sun comes up, your solar will start recharging your batteries, so by 9 am, your battery has been recharged back to full, to repeat the same cycle each night/day cycle. If you went the dual 6 volts, you will have about 85 amps available to use before needing to recharge. Unless you need them, you may never use the full capacity of the dual 6 volts. So you have spent another $150 plus you are carrying around another 50 lbs of weight attached to your trailer. You need to determine your battery needs and then set your battery capacity accordingly, but remember it comes with additional costs and weight which you are having to pull behind you.
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Old 09-28-2013, 08:54 PM   #53
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Thanks for these reminders.
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What if the sun does not come up for three days? Does the single Group 29 give you enough power if you are camped in the dark forest with little or no solar? I like the reduced weight, guess there is not much savings in cost, just want to play "what if.".
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Depends on how much power you need... Will it suffice to run LED lights and fridge electronics? Yes, certainly. Will it also suffice for running the ceiling fan on high or furnace constantly for 3 days? I'd guess not.

Even in heavy cloud or deep forest you get a bit of charging from the solar. Probably enough to run a reasonable amount of LED lights indefinitely. But fans take more power.
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Check out post #6 in Standard Battery with Solar. It gives amp hours of standard 12 volt, Group 29 12 volt and 2 - 6 volts.
Just to save others the search...
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What if the sun does not come up for three days? Does the single Group 29 give you enough power if you are camped in the dark forest with little or no solar? I like the reduced weight, guess there is not much savings in cost, just want to play "what if.".
Okay, to play devils advocate - what did we do before we worked with a company like Escape that will provide solar as an option? Most people made a choice if they boon docked - use as little juice as possible.
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Old 09-29-2013, 09:58 AM   #58
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kstock -- always happy to argue with the a devil...

"use as little juice as possible" -- that's an option. When heading out in unpredictable weather, I like to say I always have a backup plan in case it rains: I plan to get wet.

It's before you go out that you have a choice: you can choose to risk getting wet, or you can choose to carry a coat. But making a sensible choice requires information. How wet are you likely to get? What are the odds of rain? Or, to drop the analogy, is it possible to run <whatever minimum appliances you desire> after 3 days in bad weather with a standard battery?

What we did 20 years ago is only relevant if things haven't changed. If there are new options, there's no reason not to consider them. But we need to learn about them to make a good decision, and since the new options are new, there often isn't any "conventional wisdom" to follow. Hence discussions like this where people explore the boundaries of the new options, trying to figure out what works and to create what, in 20 years, will be the conventional wisdom.

Or, to put it more succinctly, doing the same thing we did 20 years ago because it worked then so it's good enough for now is just a sign of getting old and tired, and get off my lawn dagnabit!
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I'm in agreement with your comments. To me it's about what will be the norm. If you expect to spend a lot of time in a rainy environment, then plan for that. If you expect to camp in sunnier spots, then you can save some money and conserve when your solar isn't charging.
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Doug, you made me laugh out loud. I'm one of those who has been thinking that we'll use our trailer the same way we used a trailer 20 years ago when we had no laptops or cell phones AND we had lots of children so we went to bed early. The truth is that the laptops are what will allow this family to stay on the road longer -- telecommuting is part of our life -- AND this time around we might want to read in bed at night -- a luxury we never had before.
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