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05-08-2019, 03:25 PM
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#61
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Junior Member
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Nashville, Tennessee
Trailer: 1977 Argosy Minuet 6.0 Meter
Posts: 23
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05-08-2019, 04:10 PM
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#62
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Central, Pennsylvania
Trailer: Escape#5 2022 E19
Posts: 26,268
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05-08-2019, 04:41 PM
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#63
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Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Emerson, Manitoba
Trailer: 2016 Escape 5.0TA, 2022 F150 2.7EB
Posts: 1,848
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rubicon327
I believe he meant being newly manufactured. Many are out of business or no longer making 13'+/- length trailers. There are still a few though.
Scamp, Happier Camper, Armadillo, Trillium Outback...maybe others too. This is just off the top of my head.
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I think you're right, you could read it either way. I just discovered goBe campers today. Designed in Iowa, built in Colorado they say, another new 13 ft. unit. Maybe the trend is minus two footitus like Mike says.
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05-08-2019, 04:56 PM
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#64
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Junior Member
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Nashville, Tennessee
Trailer: 1977 Argosy Minuet 6.0 Meter
Posts: 23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by emers382
I don't think you should lump in Escape with Oliver and Bigfoot as expensive trailers.
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$30K plus import expenses for an Escape is still a very expensive purchase for most fiberglass trailer RV buyers young and old alike!
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05-08-2019, 06:31 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: North Vancouver, British Columbia
Trailer: 2009 Escape 17B 2020 Toyota Highlander XLE
Posts: 17,136
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Import expenses - isn't that $200 CAD?
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05-08-2019, 06:42 PM
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#66
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Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Emerson, Manitoba
Trailer: 2016 Escape 5.0TA, 2022 F150 2.7EB
Posts: 1,848
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gbaglo
Import expenses - isn't that $200 CAD?
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Yes but Mike still seems to think Escape is an "expensive" trailer but says $30K. Well good luck finding a Bigfoot or Oliver for that.
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Adrian (and Beth)
We are all travellers in the wilderness of this world, and the best we can find in our travels is an honest friend.
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05-08-2019, 07:02 PM
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#67
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Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Kelowna, British Columbia
Trailer: 2018 Escape 19
Posts: 2,720
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Djs
Looked at Oliver in quartzsite last year. Very nicely appointed. Ran into folks who showed me Oliver in Flagstaff a few weeks later. They were flying home and company was picking up the unit. Broken frame. Oliver is basically a road princess just like airstream. Very nice fragile though a ladies rig. I wI'll be traveling with my lady friend and we looked at Oliver's and Airstreams. Ended up with a 23 foot airstream. Won't go half the places my 17b would go. Fixing up 17 to sell now. Will miss it.
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Someone this time last year mentioned coming across an Oliver in a Walmart lot with a broken frame.
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05-08-2019, 07:40 PM
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#68
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Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Port Townsend, Washington
Trailer: 2010 17B “MATT”, then 2017 19 “Lilly”
Posts: 1,584
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Eggscape
Someone this time last year mentioned coming across an Oliver in a Walmart lot with a broken frame.
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I love the idea of a rust free aluminum frame. But unlike steel, stress put on aluminum is cumulative. Everything has a breaking point. For steel, as long as no single event exceeds this threshold, it’s good. But aluminum adds all the stresses cumulatively, and once this exceeds its breaking point, it’s done. I’m not an engineer, just a bike enthusiast, where such issues are always a concern. I’m sure some of our local engineers can ‘splain this better. This is why aluminum bike frames are always seriously overbuilt compared to steel. And another thing, because of both of these factors, aluminum bike frames are notorious for providing a very harsh ride, unlike quality steel, which is supple and has good vibration dampening qualities. I wonder how much of this translates to a trailer frame? Engineers?
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05-08-2019, 09:02 PM
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#69
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Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: Powell River, British Columbia
Trailer: 2017 Escape 17B
Posts: 118
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sclifrickson
I love the idea of a rust free aluminum frame. But unlike steel, stress put on aluminum is cumulative. Everything has a breaking point. For steel, as long as no single event exceeds this threshold, it’s good. But aluminum adds all the stresses cumulatively, and once this exceeds its breaking point, it’s done. I’m not an engineer, just a bike enthusiast, where such issues are always a concern. I’m sure some of our local engineers can ‘splain this better. This is why aluminum bike frames are always seriously overbuilt compared to steel. And another thing, because of both of these factors, aluminum bike frames are notorious for providing a very harsh ride, unlike quality steel, which is supple and has good vibration dampening qualities. I wonder how much of this translates to a trailer frame? Engineers?
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Like a house, the important thing is that the foundation is strong enough to outlast the building it supports.
Nothing wrong with a steel frame. I speculate that Oliver has gone to aluminum for weight. That inner fiberglass shell adds a lot of extra pounds (or kilos if you like!).
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05-08-2019, 09:14 PM
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#70
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Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Burlington Twp., New Jersey
Trailer: 2010 Escape 19
Posts: 7,146
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sclifrickson
I love the idea of a rust free aluminum frame. But unlike steel, stress put on aluminum is cumulative. Everything has a breaking point. For steel, as long as no single event exceeds this threshold, it’s good. But aluminum adds all the stresses cumulatively, and once this exceeds its breaking point, it’s done. I’m not an engineer, just a bike enthusiast, where such issues are always a concern. I’m sure some of our local engineers can ‘splain this better. This is why aluminum bike frames are always seriously overbuilt compared to steel. And another thing, because of both of these factors, aluminum bike frames are notorious for providing a very harsh ride, unlike quality steel, which is supple and has good vibration dampening qualities. I wonder how much of this translates to a trailer frame? Engineers?
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This is quite informative...
https://mechanicalelements.com/steel...trailer-frame/
https://mechanicalelements.com/choos...rame-material/
Summary: “Building with Aluminum can cost 3+ times as much, yet weigh only about half of an equivalent steel project. Why? Because larger pieces of Aluminum are required to get the same performance as with Steel. Also, more care is needed for good welds, and more support (like gussets) around the joints to avoid fatigue issues.”
The Oliver frames shown in the attached pics are fairly stout. They need to have larger rectangular beams in aluminum for greater area moment of inertia to resist deflection. Welding has to be nearly perfect. Personally I would like to see the leaf spring hangers a bit stronger. That is an area prone to a lot of fatigue. I wonder where the Oliver frames have cracked?
On edit: The suspension cradle is galvanized steel which makes sense. Still would like to see it a bit beefier, but the designers know more than me. See post #2.
https://expeditionportal.com/forum/t...photos.151791/
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05-09-2019, 02:30 AM
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#71
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Member
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 84
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Quote:
Originally Posted by emers382
...I thought it funny that Oliver had four trailers at the boler 50th anniversary meet last summer. I doubt they had much interest from the majority of campers who were there in their old 13 foot bolers. In fact Armadillo who make 13 foot FG trailers seemed to be visited much more than the Olivers, and Happier Camper as well.
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I was one of the four Olivers at the Boler 50th. Ian Giles personally invited each of us to come and Oliver was a major sponsor for his rally. This was a 5000 mile trip for us and we enjoyed meeting everyone. I don't know what the people's interest level in the Oliver was but in the 5 days we were there, we had nearly 2000 people tour them, 800 or so on Saturday alone. By the end of the day I felt like a one legged man in an ass kicking contest. Admittedly, as we expected, most were just curious lookie-loos but in the end there were several sales as a result.
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05-09-2019, 09:37 AM
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#72
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Senior Member
Join Date: May 2013
Location: ..., New Mexico
Trailer: 2013 Esc19/'14 Silvrado
Posts: 4,193
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Slightly used, 10 foot cabin, one thousand dollars. Ah, remember the good old days.
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"A billion here, a billion there...add it all up and before you know it you're talking real money." Everett Dirkson
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05-09-2019, 02:06 PM
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#73
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Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Edmonton, Alberta
Trailer: 1979 Boler B1700
Posts: 14,935
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Quote:
Originally Posted by emers382
Brian I take issue with your comment about almost no 13 foot older FG trailers left. You should have come to Winnipeg last summer!
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I meant left in production - there are, of course, a huge number of old trailers still out there. Old Bolers (and Trilliums, etc) never die... they just get renovated!
And yes, I know that there are still some 13' models still in production (the Outback and Armadillo, for instance), but Casita and Escape have dropped the small size, like most moulded fiberglass trailer manufacturers.
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05-09-2019, 04:00 PM
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#74
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Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Acworth, Georgia
Trailer: Escape 21NE (our third Escape)
Posts: 153
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If you have a bit of time and interested in the North Georgia mountains there will be an "Egg Rally" in Hiawassee Georgia May 30 at 1 PM – Jun 2 at 12 PM.
Oliver will display their camper and there will be several Escapes to see. I thought hard about the Ollie, but like others I like the floorplan of my 19 better. (not to mention the Escape is significantly less expensive)
https://www.riverbendcamping.com/
https://www.facebook.com/groups/eggs...ged_with_story
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05-09-2019, 07:13 PM
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#75
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Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Emerson, Manitoba
Trailer: 2016 Escape 5.0TA, 2022 F150 2.7EB
Posts: 1,848
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Quote:
Originally Posted by scubarx
I was one of the four Olivers at the Boler 50th. Ian Giles personally invited each of us to come and Oliver was a major sponsor for his rally. This was a 5000 mile trip for us and we enjoyed meeting everyone. I don't know what the people's interest level in the Oliver was but in the 5 days we were there, we had nearly 2000 people tour them, 800 or so on Saturday alone. By the end of the day I felt like a one legged man in an ass kicking contest. Admittedly, as we expected, most were just curious lookie-loos but in the end there were several sales as a result.
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Sorry guess I was mistaken about the lookers at the Olivers. Glad to hear some sales came out of it. Had a nice chat with Oliver Phil at Green Eggs and Ham in March. He said he had fond memories of Winnipeg.
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We are all travellers in the wilderness of this world, and the best we can find in our travels is an honest friend.
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05-16-2019, 06:10 PM
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#76
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Site Team
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Mid Left Coast, California
Trailer: 2014 Escape 21
Posts: 5,155
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well, I still think my Escape is the perfect size for the two of us. Our Casita 16 was fine for one, but too cramped for two.
(last weekend)
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05-17-2019, 05:34 AM
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#77
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Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: alpharetta, Georgia
Trailer: 2014 21' Escape
Posts: 494
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If you do not have a site for the Hiawassee Rally they will not let you in the campground. This rally has been full for while, I found another campground about 10 miles away and before I booked it though I better sent then an email and verify they would let us in. Answer we got back NO. They own the place they can do what they want but that attitude means they never get $1.00 of mine money.
Enjoy the journey.
Steve
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05-17-2019, 10:40 AM
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#78
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Junior Member
Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: Yorktown, Virginia
Trailer: none currently
Posts: 9
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cpaharley2008
Perhaps I'm not clear. Bigfoot has prices on their website for units, in canadian dollars. Anyone can go up and purchase such and then import that item back to the USA, paying the $200 import fee similar to what Escape charges. Thus a nice equipped unit may cost me $45,000 cn or $30, 000USD.
But the dealers in the US, are selling the units for the same numerical amount $45,000 but in US dollars, or $15,000 more than what they paid for the item (less any import fees of course)
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My understanding was Bigfoot didn't sell direct to buyers, they only sold through dealers. Or did you mean through Canadian dealers?
If they sell direct, that's great news!
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