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Old 09-17-2014, 09:24 AM   #31
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I'm a senior and a long distance backpacker. Unfortunately, my wife has an issue with her foot and is unable to backpack. Our idea is to use the Escape as a middle ground to allow us both to get out, travel, and enjoy nature together. I can do day hikes and with the Escape, she has a comfortable nest. I fully expect to continue long distance backpacking, with probably one long distance (5 - 6 weeks) hike per year, as long as the body holds up. On hikes, I actually sleep better in my tent, than in hotels. I love the sleep I get in a hammock, but for the shoulder months, there is a weight penalty with the hammock vs my tent.
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Old 09-17-2014, 09:37 AM   #32
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...Have you used the Exped Downmats, Dave? Holy crap have they gone up in price though. I went with my youngest brother who picked up a couple at $295 each, whereas I thought mine were expensive 10 years ago for $180. No matter, it is well worth the great sleep and comfort they afford you.
Have not gone there yet, but they look very appealing. Still using an inflatable backpackers air mattress when I am tenting. In the hammock that I have, I find it easier to use a thin foam pad rather than an inflatable pad.

One of my buddies who came on our Bowron trip this year (he is a kayaker ) actually brought a small cot to use inside his tent. Not exactly sure which model he has, but he says that he slept very comfortably and was both warm and dry.
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Old 09-17-2014, 10:18 AM   #33
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Have not gone there yet, but they look very appealing. Still using an inflatable backpackers air mattress when I am tenting. In the hammock that I have, I find it easier to use a thin foam pad rather than an inflatable pad.
Holy Cow, when I do stop camping, I can sell my Exped for what I paid for it!
If you are car camping, an air mattress underneath a closed cell pat like a Thermarest should give you most of the comfort of the Exped 9 at a fraction of the cost while retaining enough r value for three season use.
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Old 09-17-2014, 10:54 AM   #34
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Yea, tent camping has come a long way in recent years. There is a lot of really good lightweight gear available, most of it very expensive. I believe that the cot my buddy uses for tent camping is made by Helinox and is called the Cot 1.



Helinox seems to make really good stuff. Another friend brought along a chair made by them that was super comfortable. I was really jealous that my tripod chair had no back rest.
The Helinox cot is actually quite similar in appearance to the cot that Escape uses in their trailers. We have the cot in our 19' and my daughter prefers to sleep on the cot rather than on the front dinette bed, so we usually just leave the table set up and assemble the cot above the table at night.
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Old 09-17-2014, 10:58 AM   #35
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My wife's back surgery put an end to backpacking as a couple. There's a limit to how much I can carry. Hut to hut hiking is still doable. I still go backpacking with my avatar, occasionally, though she snores worse than my wife and usually smells like wet dog. For the most part, tent camping is with the grandkids. We intend to use the Escape for ourselves and tent(s) to bring along our daughters and their families.
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Old 09-17-2014, 11:59 AM   #36
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Yea, tent camping has come a long way in recent years. There is a lot of really good lightweight gear available, most of it very expensive. I believe that the cot my buddy uses for tent camping is made by Helinox and is called the Cot 1.

Helinox seems to make really good stuff. Another friend brought along a chair made by them that was super comfortable. I was really jealous that my tripod chair had no back rest.
My brother has those cots, finds they are quite comfy, but cold without a mattress of some sort on them. He does use a thermarest when cold, but this really adds to the bulk if canoeing. This is why he went out and bought the DownMats.

I don't have those chairs, but know hordes of people who do. I still just use my folding stadium seats, and put them on a barrel for a taller chair, but if I was buying another chair to take with me, they would be the one. If on loose soil, you do need a pad of some sort under the feet though, or you sink.

We have Kermit chairs that we use with our trailer, as they fold up nice and small, are very comfy to sit in, and are one quality built piece of kit. You can use with, or without their legs extensions. We have taken them canoeing too. Not a bad size, but not lightweight like the the Helinox.

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Old 09-17-2014, 03:26 PM   #37
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We were tent campers for a long, long, time. Then we picked up our trailer last month and camped for the following three weeks. Third night in the trailer a couple folks pitched a tent on the site accross from us. I learned she was 60, and he, a friend, was 80. They were sleeping on pads on the ground. I looked at my trailer and wondered if I've gone in the wrong direction. I think I need a few cold nights in the trailer to remind me why we went in the direction we did. It's awfull nice!
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Old 09-17-2014, 04:39 PM   #38
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I am trying the new x-therm from thermorest this year, So far is quite comfy and warm. Love how small it packs and how light it is. Nice to not have a rolled up pad on the outside of my pack.
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I am trying the new x-therm from thermorest this year, So far is quite comfy and warm. Love how small it packs and how light it is. Nice to not have a rolled up pad on the outside of my pack.
Have you tried it in the snow yet? I am curious as to their performance, but no noone that has one. They are half the weight of the large Exped, and 2/3's that of the smaller one.
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Old 09-17-2014, 09:09 PM   #40
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I am trying the new x-therm from thermorest this year, So far is quite comfy and warm. Love how small it packs and how light it is. Nice to not have a rolled up pad on the outside of my pack.
I have an Xtherm as well. I really like it and it has an R value of 5.7. I purchased a large to obtain the width and cut it to length. Its tough to take a pair of scissors to a new inflatable pad, but it works really well. I have about 20 nights or so since cutting it.
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