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Old 07-04-2015, 09:53 AM   #31
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I must be missing something, Edmunds shows they started making Colorado's in 04.
Hi: padlin...Production was suspended for a year or so. In that time the truck underwent a complete redesign. Alf
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Old 07-04-2015, 10:59 AM   #32
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When I purchased my 1/2 ton Ram truck ,the 5.7 liter Hemi was a no charge upgrade and the diesel engine was a $4K upgrade.
Plus they were only offering a very limited end of the year discount on the diesel
but a substancially higher discount on the gasoline models
I believe that GM will follow pretty much the same pattern.
I fully understand the need for fuel economy and the desire not to pollute nor am I implying that the Colorado is an unsafe towing vehicle.
What I am not willing to do is put the blame on lawyers every time something does not work as I think it should. It is entirely possible that the towing limits were set by the auto manufacturer's engineers and for totally valid reasons. I do not have the expertise. knowledge or education to say whether the Colorado is capable of towing a fifth wheel trailer
so I leave that judgement to the professional.

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Well, the Ram Ecodiesel sells for about the same as the Ford Ecoboost now. Chevy and GMC will have a hard time selling a smaller truck with a smaller engine unless itís cheaper.

I guess there are three possible reasons fifth wheel use is discouraged on some of these vehicles even when they donít violate tow and payload capacities:

1.) There is a legitimate structural reason that the vehicles canít handle fifth wheels no matter how light they might be.

2.) There is a legitimate structure reason that the vehicles canít handle the typical fifth wheel and no one wants to bother relooking into the very rare situation of a much lighter fifth wheel. (Which I suspect might be the case of the RAM 1500, Frontier, Colorado and GMC)

3.) The manufacturer wants to promote the sales of their more expensive heavy duty vehicles. (Which I think might be the case of the Silverado 1500.)

Anyway, Iím not an expert either which is why I started this thread. But Iíd need a good reason to believe #1 is the case.
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Old 07-04-2015, 01:12 PM   #33
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Well, the Ram Ecodiesel sells for about the same as the Ford Ecoboost now. Chevy and GMC will have a hard time selling a smaller truck with a smaller engine unless itís cheaper.

I guess there are three possible reasons fifth wheel use is discouraged on some of these vehicles even when they donít violate tow and payload capacities:

1.) There is a legitimate structural reason that the vehicles canít handle fifth wheels no matter how light they might be.

2.) There is a legitimate structure reason that the vehicles canít handle the typical fifth wheel and no one wants to bother relooking into the very rare situation of a much lighter fifth wheel. (Which I suspect might be the case of the RAM 1500, Frontier, Colorado and GMC)

3.) The manufacturer wants to promote the sales of their more expensive heavy duty vehicles. (Which I think might be the case of the Silverado 1500.)

Anyway, Iím not an expert either which is why I started this thread. But Iíd need a good reason to believe #1 is the case.
My old. 1/2 ton pickup shared the same frame as the 3/4 ton pickup for that model year.
The diference between the trucks was in the suspension ,rear end ,axles and drive train.
The newer 1/2 ton light duty trucks do not share a common frame with the heavy duty trucks.
I do not know if the newer, lighter duty frames on the 1/2 ton trucks are designed to handle 5rh wheel towing. I believe that answer should be left up to the auto makers engineers.
IMHO Any one elses opinion is just an educated quess
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Old 07-04-2015, 01:17 PM   #34
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I've always been one to say "go by the manufacturer numbers". But in this case I think there needs to be an exception. Those big behemoth 5th wheels sometimes have 25% of their weight on the pin, and that is thousands of pounds. So naturally, they don't recommend towing a 5th wheel with a 1/2 ton truck. That's just not the scenario here. Folks have towed the Escape 5er with even midsize trucks for several years now, and they haven't had a problem. This is one time I think the manufacturer's recommendation can be safely ignored. Their definition of 5th wheel isn't the one we're talking about.
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Old 07-04-2015, 02:04 PM   #35
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Hi: All... Most everybody knows we tow our 5.0TA Escape with a V6 4X4 Nissan Frontier. It shares underpinnings with the larger Nissan Titan. All the parts from the hitch came out of our V6 2002 4X2 GMC short box truck. It had to have helper springs added to correct the rear sag. The Frontier needed nothing!!! Alf
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Old 07-04-2015, 03:11 PM   #36
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I must be missing something, Edmunds shows they started making Colorado's in 04.
The current Colorado debuted for the 2015 model year. The previous version (2004 to 2012) probably doesn't share a single part... certainly not the frame.

As Alf suggested, there was no Colorado/Canyon made in North America for a couple of years.

I'm not surprised that there are no fifth-wheel hitch brackets for the first generation, but the new generation is substantially bigger and stronger. It has been available in other countries for a few years, but while small fifth-wheel trailers are uncommon here, they are even less common in the rest of the world.
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... V6 4X4 Nissan Frontier. It shares underpinnings with the larger Nissan Titan...
Nissan like to claim this, saying both are built on their F-Alpha "architecture", I can't think of a single part which would be shared. They have different sizes and shapes of frames, different axle width and capacity, completely different bodies, and completely different engines (not even the same number of cylinders). Yes, I crouched beside trucks on dealer lots and compared components. I'm sure that there are design similarities (maybe in the front suspension? ... not the rear) but they are unrelated in capacity.

The Nissan NV full-size van really does have the same chassis design as the Titan pickup... but in that case Nissan likes to point out that the majority of the parts are different. Marketing and logic are rarely related.
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Hi: All... I apologize for posting erroneous info. In future I will seek the knowledge of the "Wizards of the forum" first. Alf
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Old 07-04-2015, 04:36 PM   #39
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Hi: All... I apologize for posting erroneous info.
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Hey Alf... nothing to apologize for! Nissan is the ultimate authority on their trucks, and claim a common platform for the Titan and Frontier, which implies shared underpinnings. I just don't see any connection to physical reality in their claim...
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I found the following site it and it seems to have a lot a good information about towing fifth wheels safely. The link below is to the site's info on half-ton trucks, but the site has lots of other articles and info available in the menu at the top of the page.

How Much Can A Half-ton Truck Tow Without Exceeding Ratings?

A properly configured version of the new aluminum F-150 seems to have a much higher capacity and is the only half-ton recommended to to tow a typical fifth wheel up to to almost 12,000 lbs.

But it looks like some versions of the other half tons can tow the 5.0 TA as well. ...although it's much closer. The site even has an app where you can plug in the numbers for a particular tow vehicle to get safe towing limits.

RV Tow Check | Towing Guide Eliminator

I don't have all the numbers to plug in for the GMC Canyon though.
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