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Old 07-05-2015, 09:29 PM   #41
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A properly configured version of the new aluminum F-150 seems to have a much higher capacity and is the only half-ton recommended to to tow a typical fifth wheel up to to almost 12,000 lbs.
When properly equipped, a 2015 F150 can tow up to 9100 lbs. Our 2WD / 5.5 Bed / 2.7L Ecoboost / Tow Package can do 8100. 12000 is way over the max.

But, take your typical 5th wheel that weighs less, let's say in the 9000 lb range. About 25% of that will be weight on the pin, which means the back is holding up 2250 lbs -- and that's too much. In the 5.0TA, its less than 20%, and that's 20% of a MUCH lighter trailer. The weight on the pin would be around 600 lbs. Well within the capacities for a half ton truck.
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An F-150 with the 3.5 L ecoboost can tow up to 12,000 lbs when properly configured. Here's info from Ford:

2015 Ford F-150 | View Towing Specifications | Ford.com

600 lbs is the dry pin weight. Once loaded down, that may vary depending on how much weight is added and where in the trailer that weight is... Has anyone determined what the pin weight is for the trailer with full tanks and some cargo?

Also, the calculator I linked allows you to adjust the percentage of weight on the pin. The vehicles max allowed GCWR and GVWR are important for properly figuring things out.

RV Tow Check | Towing Guide Eliminator

But you are right the default calculations done at the following page assumed a 20% of the weight on the pin. If you moved that down to 16% or 17% and recalculated then some of the maximum safe fifth wheel weights may go up. But the default calculations also assumed a stripped down pickup truck with very light passenger and vehicle cargo. So that may bring your recalculation max back down.

How Much Can A Half-ton Truck Tow Without Exceeding Ratings?
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A properly configured F-150 with the 3.5 L ecoboost can tow up to 12,000 lbs when properly configured. Here's info from Ford:

2015 Ford F-150 | View Towing Specifications | Ford.com

600 lbs is the dry pin weight. Once loaded down, that may vary depending on how much weight is added and where in the trailer that weight is... Has anyone determined what the pin weight is for the trailer with full tanks and some cargo?

Also, the calculator I linked allows you to adjust the percentage of weight on the pin. The vehicles max allowed GCWR and GVWR are important for properly figuring things out.

RV Tow Check | Towing Guide Eliminator

But you are right the default calculations done at the following page assumed a 20% of the weight on the pin. If you moved that down to 16% or 17% and recalculated then some of the maximum safe fifth wheel weights may go up. But the default calculations also assumed a stripped down pickup truck with very light passenger and vehicle cargo. So that may bring your recalculation max back down.

How Much Can A Half-ton Truck Tow Without Exceeding Ratings?
Thanks for the clarification. Yeah, with the 141.1" wheelbase, the highest ratio axle, and the heavy duty payload package, it goes up to 12100. That's an impressive max trailer weight for a "1/2 Ton" truck.

Even loaded though, if a midsize truck can handle the 5.0TA, a full size truck can too.
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After considering passengers, cargo, truck upgrades and full tanks; I'm not so sure that any midsize trucks can tow a 5.0 TA without exceeding the ratings of either the GCWR, GVWR, or GAWR. And as the website says, "One's ability to tow a fifth wheel doesn't prove exceeding the ratings is okay."
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After considering passengers, cargo, truck upgrades and full tanks; I'm not so sure that any midsize trucks can tow a 5.0 TA without exceeding the ratings of either the GCWR, GVWR, or GAWR. And as the website says, "One's ability to tow a fifth wheel doesn't prove exceeding the ratings is okay."
True, and many (like Nissan for example) make it difficult if not impossible to get the GCWR. They don't publish one on the website, although it might be on the FMVSS placard.
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After considering passengers, cargo, truck upgrades and full tanks; I'm not so sure that any midsize trucks can tow a 5.0 TA without exceeding the ratings of either the GCWR, GVWR, or GAWR. And as the website says, "One's ability to tow a fifth wheel doesn't prove exceeding the ratings is okay."
My full size 1/2 ton pickup has a listed towing capacity of 10,250 lbs
a payload capacity of 1430 lbs and a GVWR of 6800 lbs . My Casita 17ft Deluxe
weighs 3300 lbs with a tongue weight of 350 lbs. The combined weight of my vehicle's curb weight ,vehicle options ,passengers, cargo , trailer tongue weight and truck toppers brings my total gross weight right up against my vehicles GVWR & RAWR.
If I wanted to tow an Escape 5.0 TA with my present truck , stay within its stated limits, and assuming a pin weight of 6 to 700 lbs. I would have to reduce my cargo weight or leave my wife and the dog at home.
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My full size 1/2 ton pickup has a listed towing capacity of 10,250 lbs
a payload capacity of 1430 lbs and a GVWR of 6800 lbs . My Casita 17ft Deluxe
weighs 3300 lbs with a tongue weight of 350 lbs. The combined weight of my vehicle's curb weight ,vehicle options ,passengers, cargo , trailer tongue weight and truck toppers brings my total gross weight right up against my vehicles GVWR & RAWR.
If I wanted to tow an Escape 5.0 TA with my present truck , stay within its stated limits, and assuming a pin weight of 6 to 700 lbs. I would have to reduce my cargo weight or leave my wife and the dog at home.
Hi: steve dunham... Cargo...that's the "Slim fast plan". Passengers are always optional. Alf
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Okay, so the new Chevy and GMC mid-size trucks have the highest towing and payload capacities for the category. I’ve run the GMC Canyon 4X2 Crew Cab with long bed through the RV Tow Check 2.0 Calculator.

RV Tow Check | Towing Guide Eliminator

Here are the inputs:

Gross Combined Weight Rating (GCWR): 12,000 lbs

Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR): 5,800 lbs

Gross Vehicle Weight (GVW): 4,200 lbs (curb weight of base model with no options)

Fifth wheel hitch: Yes

Pin weight percentage: 16%

Driver weight: 230 lbs

Additional vehicle add ons, cargo, passenger weight: 200 lbs


These inputs give me a maximum allowed fifth wheel weight of 6,062 lbs. This is more than enough for a fully loaded 5.0 TA weighing in at 5,500 lbs.

However, the results are very sensitive to additional cargo weight or weight distribution!

If only 300 lbs of additional cargo, passenger, or vehicle options are added to the truck, then the max 5th wheel weight drops to 4,187 lbs. Which isn’t enough for a fully loaded 5.0 TA.

If, on top of the additional weight, the distribution in the trailer causes 17% of the weight on the pin; then the max allowed 5th wheel is only 3,941 lbs.

Add another 200 lbs of weight to the truck and the max allowed 5th wheel drops to 2,764 lbs. Not even close to enough to tow a completely empty barebones 5.0 TA weighing 3,700 lbs.
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Okay, so the new Chevy and GMC mid-size trucks have the highest towing and payload capacities for the category. Iíve run the GMC Canyon 4X2 Crew Cab with long bed through the RV Tow Check 2.0 Calculator.

RV Tow Check | Towing Guide Eliminator

Here are the inputs:

Gross Combined Weight Rating (GCWR): 12,000 lbs

Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR): 5,800 lbs

Gross Vehicle Weight (GVW): 4,200 lbs (curb weight of base model with no options)

Fifth wheel hitch: Yes

Pin weight percentage: 16%

Driver weight: 230 lbs

Additional vehicle add ons, cargo, passenger weight: 200 lbs


These inputs give me a maximum allowed fifth wheel weight of 6,062 lbs. This is more than enough for a fully loaded 5.0 TA weighing in at 5,500 lbs.

However, the results are very sensitive to additional cargo weight or weight distribution!

If only 300 lbs of additional cargo, passenger, or vehicle options are added to the truck, then the max 5th wheel weight drops to 4,187 lbs. Which isnít enough for a fully loaded 5.0 TA.

If, on top of the additional weight, the distribution in the trailer causes 17% of the weight on the pin; then the max allowed 5th wheel is only 3,941 lbs.

Add another 200 lbs of weight to the truck and the max allowed 5th wheel drops to 2,764 lbs. Not even close to enough to tow a completely empty barebones 5.0 TA weighing 3,700 lbs.
Don't forget that you also have to make allowance for the weight of the
5th wheel hitch which is approx 150lbs.
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