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Old 07-06-2015, 02:36 PM   #51
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Don't forget that you also have to make allowance for the weight of the
5th wheel hitch which is approx 150lbs.
I checked that box on the calculator so that's already included in the calculations. I'm not sure what weight they use but it's probably on the heavy side to be safe.
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Old 07-06-2015, 03:03 PM   #52
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I checked that box on the calculator so that's already included in the calculations. I'm not sure what weight they use but it's probably on the heavy side to be safe.
Hi: yogiyoda... I believe the 5.0TA pin weight also includes 2 full propane tanks. Alf
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Old 07-06-2015, 09:53 PM   #53
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Hi: yogiyoda... I believe the 5.0TA pin weight also includes 2 full propane tanks. Alf
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Do you mean the 600 lb "Dry hitch weight" already includes full propane tanks?
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Old 07-07-2015, 12:06 AM   #54
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After considering passengers, cargo, truck upgrades and full tanks; I'm not so sure that any midsize trucks can tow a 5.0 TA without exceeding the ratings of either the GCWR, GVWR, or GAWR.
It's easy to exceed limits, but in forum discussions we've run the numbers for a few members' rigs and it can be done. GVWR seems to be the most problematic limit, even with the larger conventional trailers.

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True, and many (like Nissan for example) make it difficult if not impossible to get the GCWR. They don't publish one on the website, although it might be on the FMVSS placard.
It's usually not a problem for trucks, but it is hard to find for many vehicles. On the other hand, I've never seen GCWR on a placard... probably because it isn't a legally enforced limit so there's federal requirement to put in on the placard. Both GAWR and the GVWR will be on the placard.

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Hi: yogiyoda... I believe the 5.0TA pin weight also includes 2 full propane tanks.
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Do you mean the 600 lb "Dry hitch weight" already includes full propane tanks?
That seems unlikely to me. "Dry" means without fluids, after all.
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Old 07-07-2015, 12:17 AM   #55
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... These inputs give me a maximum allowed fifth wheel weight of 6,062 lbs. This is more than enough for a fully loaded 5.0 TA weighing in at 5,500 lbs.

However, the results are very sensitive to additional cargo weight or weight distribution!

If only 300 lbs of additional cargo, passenger, or vehicle options are added to the truck, then the max 5th wheel weight drops to 4,187 lbs. Which isn’t enough for a fully loaded 5.0 TA.

If, on top of the additional weight, the distribution in the trailer causes 17% of the weight on the pin; then the max allowed 5th wheel is only 3,941 lbs.

Add another 200 lbs of weight to the truck and the max allowed 5th wheel drops to 2,764 lbs.
This is a good explanation of why it makes sense to shoot for much lower pin weight, since that's the problem (rather than gross trailer weight).

It also emphasizes the importance for larger trailers, and especially for fifth-wheels, of choosing options carefully and including packages which increase payload.
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Old 07-07-2015, 12:59 AM   #57
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Do you mean the 600 lb "Dry hitch weight" already includes full propane tanks?
Hi: yogiyoda... Ask Reace...He should know. Alf
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If interested, my 5.0TA pin weight was 728 lbs returning from a trip, propane pretty much full, all holding tanks roughly half. The black and grey tanks are in front of the axles, fresh is behind, wouldn't be hard to get the pin heavier then I had.
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What was the weight of your trailer over the axles, Bob?
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If interested, my 5.0TA pin weight was 728 lbs returning from a trip, propane pretty much full, all holding tanks roughly half. The black and grey tanks are in front of the axles, fresh is behind, wouldn't be hard to get the pin heavier then I had.
Thank you for posting your actual pin weight . I had a feeling that the dry pin weight of 600 lbs posted by Escape would be a little low . Our friends new 34ft "LIGHTWEIGHT " fifth wheel trailer has a pin weight approaching 30% and he is over the GVWR for his 3/4 ton diesel truck
I admire this forum for its rational and logical discussion of tow vehicles . Many times on other forums logic never enters the picture and people end up believing they can tow
their 19ft, 4000lb trailer with a Mini Cooper
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