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Old 07-07-2015, 08:59 AM   #61
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It's easy to exceed limits, but in forum discussions we've run the numbers for a few members' rigs and it can be done. GVWR seems to be the most problematic limit, even with the larger conventional trailers.


It's usually not a problem for trucks, but it is hard to find for many vehicles. On the other hand, I've never seen GCWR on a placard... probably because it isn't a legally enforced limit so there's federal requirement to put in on the placard. Both GAWR and the GVWR will be on the placard.



That seems unlikely to me. "Dry" means without fluids, after all.
For some manufacturers, dry can also mean not including options. Not sure how escape defines dry weight.
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Old 07-07-2015, 09:06 AM   #62
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people end up believing they can tow
their 19ft, 4000lb trailer with a Mini Cooper
but only if you visit can-am first!
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Old 07-07-2015, 09:16 AM   #63
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but only if you visit can-am first!
An doncha know they tow like that all the time in Europe! It's the stopping that becomes a problem...
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Old 07-07-2015, 09:43 AM   #64
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Thank you for posting your actual pin weight . I had a feeling that the dry pin weight of 600 lbs posted by Escape would be a little low . Our friends new 34ft "LIGHTWEIGHT " fifth wheel trailer has a pin weight approaching 30% and he is over the GVWR for his 3/4 ton diesel truck
I admire this forum for its rational and logical discussion of tow vehicles . Many times on other forums logic never enters the picture and people end up believing they can tow
their 19ft, 4000lb trailer with a Mini Cooper
These do very a good deal, here's the 3 entries for 5.0TA's from the table Jon V keeps on the subject.
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3329 728 4057
3840 520 4360
3490 610 4100
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Old 07-07-2015, 10:48 AM   #65
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Those numbers do not appear to be correct. A proportionally heavier trailer, such as example 2 should and would have a heavier pin weight than trailer #1 which would appear to be a stock unit close to the 3100# weight with options as unit #3 appears to be, a stock unit with options.
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Old 07-07-2015, 11:08 AM   #66
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If you still have your Sherline and If the 21 is the same as the 5.0TA, fill both the waste tanks (in front of the axles) and check your tongue weight. Empty them and fill the rear fresh tank and weight the tongue again. Might explain the big difference seen. Be interesting info anyway.
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Old 07-07-2015, 11:11 AM   #67
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Mine was 3800# axle and 500# tongue on Montana scale on way home from Osoyoos with 1/2 fresh tank and empty grey/black but packed for 2 weeks clothing and food.
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Old 07-07-2015, 06:47 PM   #68
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Thanks for the real world pin and axle weights. Can a pin weight percentage be too low? If I did my math right, that last listing is only 11% pin weight. (500/(3800+500))

Is under 15% even safe?

FYI - according to ETI, one could expect up to a 900 lb pin weight on a fully loaded 5.0 TA.
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Old 07-07-2015, 10:50 PM   #69
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For some manufacturers, dry can also mean not including options.
"Dry" means without fluids. Most manufacturers (of any vehicle, whether a motor vehicle or a trailer) list the weight without options, which might best be described as "base". Of course they also weigh it dry. If the spec says "dry", it means dry... and it's probably also without options.
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Old 07-07-2015, 10:59 PM   #70
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Is under 15% even safe?
Yes.

Traditionally, for North American trailers the "rule of thumb" was 10% for conventional trailers with a weight-carrying hitch, 15% for conventional trailers with a weight-distributing hitch, and something higher (25%) for a fifth-wheel trailer. None of these numbers have any basis in the facts of a specific trailer, they're just sort of typical. In Europe, tongue weight is typically much lower.

The recommended numbers in forum discussions seem to keep getting higher. I'm waiting for the day someone declares that any less than 50% of the weight on the tongue is unsafe

Fifth-wheel trailers have higher hitch weight because they can, not because they need it.
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