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Old 03-23-2014, 01:45 PM   #11
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The foam covers the entire trailer underneath, including frame, from front to rear out to the sides up to the trunnions where your seep holes are. They are spray painting it black now to make it less noticeable. It adds about 200 lbs I believe to the weight of the trailer. It will make your floors feel warmer and it does protect the undercarriage.
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Old 03-23-2014, 03:30 PM   #12
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so seep holes are still there, uncovered, and functional?
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Old 03-23-2014, 04:26 PM   #13
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I was thinking Escapes had a two layer floor with an air layer between? Is this not the case? Thought that was a cold weather advantage over most other fiberglass trailers?
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Old 03-23-2014, 06:37 PM   #14
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Looking into this more it seems the entire underside does look like white fiberglass gelcoat. But it's unclear if the wood floor is bonded directly to the that exterior fiberglass or sits above it with an air gap. I've stayed comfy and warm in my Scamp with a simple plywood floor down to -7F with a small 1500 watt heater. Granted the heater was on more or less constantly, to keep the temp at the thermostat setting of 72F. The floor was darn chilly. A small fan really helps mix the air up, to lessen the difference in temps floor to ceiling.

If there's an air gap of any significant size under the wood floor above the fiberglass outer layer, I'd imagine that would help considerably with floor temps. But I'm just speculating. Never even been in an escape, much less tested it's cold weather capabilities.

Anyone know more about the layering, spacing of the floor/subfloor?

The insulation sounds like a good idea, better insulated = more better. But may not be worth the added weight in all instances. Especially if there is an air gap that already provides better insulation than other eggs. Does it really add 200lbs? Is that your guestimate CpaH? Or is that what Escape said? Sounds like a whole lot of insulation!
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Old 03-23-2014, 06:46 PM   #15
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so seep holes are still there, uncovered, and functional?
That is correct
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I was thinking Escapes had a two layer floor with an air layer between? Is this not the case? Thought that was a cold weather advantage over most other fiberglass trailers?
That is not correct, it is a single hull design. The wood floor is encapsulated in resin and is raised, and around the perimeter are trunnions made to capture any water or condensation and there are several weep holes under these trunnions to allow water removal. External fresh and grey water tanks are attached to the exterior of the shell. Then the spray foam seals all around the exterior floor/tank area from water and air. You should really inspect one near you to get an idea of the the quality that goes into this product.
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Jim, there is no FG layer under the plywood?
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Jim, there is no FG layer under the plywood?
Yes, the fiberglass shell covers the entire bottom of the trailer, the wood floor is inside that shell, encased in resin, around which is a small channel, or trunnion, that is lower than the floor, around the perimeter.
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Yes, the fiberglass shell covers the entire bottom of the trailer, the wood floor is inside that shell, encased in resin, around which is a small channel, or trunnion, that is lower than the floor, around the perimeter.
Got worried there for a second. Thanks
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Thanks for the input!

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The wood floor is encapsulated in resin and is raised,
What do you mean by "raised"?

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You should really inspect one near you to get an idea of the the quality that goes into this product.
I am an hour or so from the factory and certainly plan to visit this spring once they start opening on Saturdays! I have no doubt of the quality. I love my Scamp, but during my restore/customization I was struck over and over the opportunities they missed to make it much better without costing much more. The floor being extremely cheap OSB that starts swelling and falling apart as soon as it gets wet and it does get wet. The carpet was glued to that to make sure there was no quick way to get moisture off the floor! What where they thinking?! I pulled off all the carpet and sealed the wood with thick polyurethane paint. That seems a good improvement. Escape really seems to have a great design and top notch attention to details.

I'd like to order a custom new one, but my budget probably means I'll be keeping a good eye out for used 17Bs. May consider adding the undercoat if Escape can put it on a complete trailer. But I do want a trailer with a ready to roll weight of under 3000lbs, so maybe not if it's heavy.
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