17B wardrobe by dinette & top 3 options

[rubicon327]

Originally Posted by J Mac

So, is the 3/8" headliner material installed on walls and ceiling? Like the brochure indicates?

Yes, wherever there is white vinyl there is 3/8" foam as this is how the material is made. There is only something extra behind it if the extra insulation option is elected.

[Jim Bennett]

Originally Posted by Ljswany

Just read this string. I'm surprised everyone likes the fixed solar so much.

I was one who always used portable with the 19, and decided to add some fixed on the 5.0TA. Real glad I did, as the convenience is wonderful. It also keeps the batteries topped up when stored without any need to plug in. I don't buy into the worry of a portable being stolen, I doubt that would happen, and I imagine in winter months with low sun, or lots of shade from trees or cloud, combined with lots of draw from the furnace fan, I may still be using my portable to keep things up and running good.

[Brian B-P]

Dave (rubicon327) already covered this well, but to answer specific questions...

Originally Posted by J Mac

Are you quoting information regarding the standard insulation package or the Optional Extra Insulation package?

Both.

Originally Posted by J Mac

In other words, is the stock, standard, no frills Escape trailer covered with a unique insulated vinyl headliner/wall covering, like the brochure says, on its walls and it's ceiling? or only partial walls? It's kind of hard to get this answer from the forum.

Originally Posted by J Mac

So, is the 3/8" headliner material installed on walls and ceiling? Like the brochure indicates?

Yes, it covers the exposed walls and ceiling, in every Escape (as standard equipment). After all, there isn't really a distinct break between walls and ceiling, so it's not surprising that the same stuff covers both in a continuous sheet, and that stuff includes both the vinyl surface and the foam backing, so you don't get one without the other.

It's the stuff behind that foam-back vinyl headliner that varies between years, between models, and with option choice.

[Brian B-P]

Originally Posted by rubicon327

If you don't order the extra insulation option you are just getting the vinyl headliner material with a thin 3/8" foam backing. They might call it "insulated" but it isn't much. They state R-5 on the ETI website.

I was surprised by that value, but that is what ETI says on their Points to Ponder page:

The headliner is a smooth, durable, soft-touch vinyl laminated onto 3/8” foam creating an R5 insulation value. This headliner is fire-rated and easily cleaned.

There's no chance that this material has an insulation value of R-5. Perhaps that's the value for the fiberglass, foam, vinyl face together, although even that seems optimistic. R-2 would be a more likely value for just the foam.

[rubicon327]

Originally Posted by Brian B-P

There's no chance that this material has an insulation value of R-5. Perhaps that's the value for the fiberglass, foam, vinyl face together, although even that seems optimistic. R-2 would be a more likely value for just the foam.

Agreed. Not as bad as Scamp claiming R-15 with a single layer of Reflectix! It took me 2" of polyiso to get R-10 under the floor.