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Old 06-03-2016, 03:08 PM   #41
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Thanks, Jack, for that clarification. I went back out and looked at the emergency brake thingie wire and it's definitely not a heavy-enough gauge to handle all those amps. I'll tap into the Big Cable like you did or go the 7-pin connector route. Thanks again!
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Old 06-04-2016, 12:03 AM   #42
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That is my other reasoning too. We carry a lot in the bed of the truck . When we are boondocking and are pretty level , sometimes don't unhitch. Pat

There's not a power Jack (or manual Jack for that matter) that I know of that will allow you to drop the tailgate of the truck all the way down when hooked up. The Jack-e-up that Jim has would allow the Jack to be removed and provide the clearance. When I need access to the bed while hooked up, I just lower the tailgate carefully and rest it on the Jack post. It stops about 2/3 of the way down. A shorter Jack would not make any difference with this, at least not with a regular pickup tailgate.


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Old 06-04-2016, 01:08 AM   #43
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There's not a power Jack (or manual Jack for that matter) that I know of that will allow you to drop the tailgate of the truck all the way down when hooked up. The Jack-e-up that Jim has would allow the Jack to be removed and provide the clearance. When I need access to the bed while hooked up, I just lower the tailgate carefully and rest it on the Jack post. It stops about 2/3 of the way down. A shorter Jack would not make any difference with this, at least not with a regular pickup tailgate.


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I think because we have a long stinger ,most of the time if we are kind of level the truck gate can lower all the way when we are hooked up . But I think because the electrical head is bigger that won't work . The only time that won't work is if the truck is a little higher then the trailer . Truck lower then trailer also no problem .When I'm going somewhere I always hookup , can drop tailgate , and load up a day or two before . Trailer is almost level , my truck is downhill . Pat
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Old 06-04-2016, 01:20 AM   #44
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Yeah, that makes sense. Forgot that a longer stinger would provide more clearance. I don't think the head of the power Jack (at least not the type we have - Atwood 4000) would pose a problem in such a case. The head sits high enough that the tailgate would clear it as it swings down. I say that because our tailgate doesn't hit the power Jack head, but the post just below it.


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Yeah, that makes sense. Forgot that a longer stinger would provide more clearance. I don't think the head of the power Jack (at least not the type we have - Atwood 4000) would pose a problem in such a case. The head sits high enough that the tailgate would clear it as it swings down. I say that because our tailgate doesn't hit the power Jack head, but the post just below it.


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I'll give it a look then . I need to get some other things first though . Need some tire sensors on my trailer . Last summer was traveling I don't know for how long with a flat on one of my tires . Didn't see it until I got home . Pat
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The issue with leaning the tailgate or in my case letting it rest on the jack handle results in a dent in the tailgate if you put any weight on it to reach inside. I have about 6 different jacks I have purchased trying to find the ideal set up, even one with a removable handle. It worked, but a PIA to take handle off. I also have extended stingers that work because we are only talking about 2-3" here. They also work but the best set up is the Jack-E-Up. In order to use a power jack one will need to add a quick disconnect in the wires, or go back to the extended stinger. Just remember to get a heavier capacity one due to the extra length.
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Old 06-04-2016, 01:51 PM   #47
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Good point about the quick connect on the power cable if you're wanting to use the Jack-e-up with a power Jack. My tailgate doesn't get damaged when leaning it on the post, because the entire top of the tailgate is a hard black plastic material. But, I would think that the easiest (and cheapest) solution would be an extended stinger. No electrical mod required.


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so if i installed the jack-e-up, how would I hold the trailer up? Use the stabilizers?. I bought this on e-bay for $69. Don't care if it works, will look good and deter theft. Now with the jack-e-up that would suit the bill if i could keep the trailer up .
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Normally you would not be using the stabilizers without using the tongue jack as it is only removed while under tow. That said, when I installed the Jack-E-Up, my 21' was supported only by the 4 stabilizers until the new system was operational. Just like those who remove the factory jack and install a power jack, the trailer is supported by the stabilizers only during the install process.
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so if i installed the jack-e-up, how would I hold the trailer up? Use the stabilizers?. I bought this on e-bay for $69. Don't care if it works, will look good and deter theft. Now with the jack-e-up that would suit the bill if i could keep the trailer up .
I assume you're talking about storing the trailer with that wheel lock in place and the tongue jack removed (using the Jack-E-Up bracket and plug-in wiring if powered). I see no problem at all leaving the front of the trailer supported by the front stabilizer jacks in this situation, even if you are using the trailer. They have more than enough capacity, and are directly under the trailer's frame.
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I'll give it a look then . I need to get some other things first though . Need some tire sensors on my trailer . Last summer was traveling I don't know for how long with a flat on one of my tires . Didn't see it until I got home . Pat
Very happy with these guys; had 2 alerts to a leaker tire in 2 years so I could pull off and get it fixed. I have the 507 sensors (user replaceable battery.)

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Very happy with these guys; had 2 alerts to a leaker tire in 2 years so I could pull off and get it fixed. I have the 507 sensors (user replaceable battery.)

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Thanks Charlie that was the one I was thinking about . Does yours say 507rv ? I don't have the metal stems so I was going to do no flow through ? I just want for now on the trailer . What did you get ? Pat
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Thanks Charlie that was the one I was thinking about . Does yours say 507rv ? I don't have the metal stems so I was going to do no flow through ? I just want for now on the trailer . What did you get ? Pat
Dunno what they say on them, but I didn't do the flow-thru either. I used the system originally on my Casita and moved it to my Escape; both of which have/had rubber valve stems. Very simple and easy to remove/replace the sensors if you need to add air.
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Dunno what they say on them, but I didn't do the flow-thru either. I used the system originally on my Casita and moved it to my Escape; both of which have/had rubber valve stems. Very simple and easy to remove/replace the sensors if you need to add air.
Good to know you have had these for awhile and have the rubber stems . I will order these then . Thanks Charlie . Pat
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Robert, do you remember whether you ordered the smaller or larger version of the RV Tailors cover? I'm getting the same jack that you bought and would like a similar fit. Thanks!
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Robert, do you remember whether you ordered the smaller or larger version of the RV Tailors cover? I'm getting the same jack that you bought and would like a similar fit. Thanks!

I don't remember Doug. I think I just told them what kind of Jack head I had and they sent me the right one.


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Thanks Robert! I'll do the same. What a concept... actually communicating with a retailer. Never would have thought of it.
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The issue with leaning the tailgate or in my case letting it rest on the jack handle results in a dent in the tailgate if you put any weight on it to reach inside. I have about 6 different jacks I have purchased trying to find the ideal set up, even one with a removable handle. It worked, but a PIA to take handle off. I also have extended stingers that work because we are only talking about 2-3" here. They also work but the best set up is the Jack-E-Up. In order to use a power jack one will need to add a quick disconnect in the wires, or go back to the extended stinger. Just remember to get a heavier capacity one due to the extra length.
Jim, We get our 2016 21 in a month and anticipate we will have a problem with the tailgate on our 02 Chevy Silverado 2500HD and the manual jack. Jack E-UP offers 2 different models, a universal model (side wind) and a top wind model. Do you know which one you used on Blackjack? I see the ETI 21 crank is mounted on the top but cranks side ways. Is that what is meant by a side crank? All my trailers crank at the top in a horizontal fashion.
I guess that means they are all top winds. I get confused about the simplest things.

I hope to order one (the correct one) and take it to Chilliwack so I won't have to put up with tailgate issues as we camp around Vancouver Is. for a week after picking up our 21.
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Sidewind is the manual type on the Escape 21, about 5 minutes to install. You will need either 1/2 or 5/8 or 7/16 wrench, I no longer have mine in the yard to verify which size.
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Sidewind is the manual type on the Escape 21, about 5 minutes to install. You will need either 1/2 or 5/8 or 7/16 wrench, I no longer have mine in the yard to verify which size.
Sidewind it is then. I will have my handy Costco wrench set along with torque wrench for wheels and all the other things that may happen on break in. Thanks for the quick response.
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