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Old 12-04-2013, 09:37 PM   #11
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You can dump grey water on the ground if you use biodegradable products.
Not in Oregon! I should say... not in the majority of places in Oregon. We're environmentalist and proud of it. Dispersed camping on BLM allows you to dig and dump... but it takes a bit of effort to dig a hole, etc. Get caught dumping any "color" of water on the ground in Oregon and you get fined. We like it like that! We protect the ground water, streams and other water ways. Be aware of what you need to do, do it... and you'll be okay.

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Old 12-04-2013, 10:11 PM   #12
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Donna - same with all National Parks, and, I think, all the state parks in Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Michigan - and probably lots of others.
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Old 12-04-2013, 10:20 PM   #13
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Question: can you use a biodegradable shampoo at the outside shower?
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Old 12-04-2013, 10:35 PM   #14
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RV survival tactics

We are in flood victim central here still and a lot of displaced people around Calgary and High River area.
Survival makes you look at things differently.
We are not on holidays here and this is our first really cold snap. Ouch. Any one have any ideas on keeping propane tanks warm? Mine froze at about -20 c.
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Old 12-04-2013, 11:05 PM   #15
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This probably belongs in a different thread... or a different forum (this one is specifically about Escape brand travel trailers).
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Any one have any ideas on keeping propane tanks warm? Mine froze at about -20 c.
It doesn't freeze, but the pressure gets so low that there may not be enough flow.

If anything has frozen, it will likely be water (a contaminant in propane) in the regulator: remove, take it somewhere warm (yes, I appreciate the irony...) and thaw it out.

If the tank pressure is low due to the temperature, use a much larger tank so the chilling effect of drawing propane has less effect. 100 pound tanks are portable and readily available; 420-pound tanks can be rented or bought used, and propane distributors will deliver to them (fill them at your site from a truck).

It is possible to electrically heat a propane tank. A wrap-around battery warmer fits a 20-pound or 30-pound tank, and heat tracing tape for water pipes can wrap around a big tank; neither is approved for this purpose. There are heaters intended for large propane tanks, but they are very hard to find and I don't know about their legality.
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Old 12-05-2013, 07:48 AM   #16
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For winter flying with hot air balloons, we would use heating tapes or nitrogen gas
to increase the pressure. In both cases, we monitor the tank pressure.
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Old 12-05-2013, 09:30 AM   #17
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Question: can you use a biodegradable shampoo at the outside shower?
Soap is naturally biodegradable. It is the additives that may not be so. When travelling in the backcountry, we use the liquid soap sold as biodegradable for all uses, from dishes to washing our bodies.

Whether or not legal, proper disposal of uncontaminated grey water is not an environmental issue. Heck, I was 16 before my grandparents had running water and a septic system in their farmhouse, and the grey water from the wash tubs and basins was prized for its use to water the flower and vegetable gardens.

I am not condoning the random disposal of black water either, but we have dispersed that in our hay field lots of the time, after leaving for the weekend. Most of my relatives are farmers, and always dispose of their waste water on hay or pasture land when they get home. It is minor compared to what their livestock leave. Our hay field is well away from the river, and Mother Nature takes care of it just fine. It is something that gets done maybe 12 times a year from a couple different RV's, and I swear if you look out over the 50 acre field you will see some greener spots out there.
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Where I stay in the US Virgin Islands where fresh water is at a premium the use of grey water for watering gardens is considered green.
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Go here: Brazil Wants Its Residents To Pee In The Shower (VIDEO)

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