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Old 07-18-2016, 02:27 PM   #91
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With the sketch that Brian posted, you may have to customize your regulators for the propane tanks because of the increased separation between the two tanks. I know that my current regulator on my 19' would not likely work if the tanks were separated by more than a few inches.
Yes, but just swap for longer "pigtails" - the hoses from tanks to regulator. 1/4" male inverted flare by QCC hose assemblies are available in lengths from 18" to ten feet.
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Old 07-18-2016, 02:29 PM   #92
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Do you happen to have any information on the battery box from Escape and possibly a picture or two? The only way I think I can make this work without major surgery under the bench is with an end-to-end configuration using the box that I previously posted that is made by Quickcable. It will run me about $225 with the vent kit through Fastenal. I just want to explore this a bit more before pulling the trigger because this is a bit more cost than I envisioned just to relocate the batteries.
At that price it would be cheaper to install 2 smaller ventilated boxes, one under street and on under curb side dinette, they can be founder about $40 each.
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Old 07-29-2016, 10:26 AM   #93
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Some more progress

Need to take some more photos, but wanted to check in with some progress. Relocated the batteries off the tongue to the curb side dinette seat in an end-to-end configuration as rearward as possible with vented box by Quickcable. Drain line and interconnecting power line (outdoor unit to indoor unit) are roughed in through the cabinet and down the curb side corner. Drain will exit directly through the floor. Power line comes across the front of the trailer and exits with the main power feed through the floor on the driver's side near the other factory wiring penetrations. Refrigerant lines route through cabinet and down the driver's side corner as a mirror image of the drain/power configuration. Lines will exit through the floor and turn along frame. New dual 15 amp breaker (one spare) added in the WFCO power center.

The cabinet structure and the removable wall pieces in the front corners have made it possible to make this look really clean. The oak grilles match the cabinets almost exactly.

Now I need to figure out the arrangement for the condenser on the tongue and hopefully have this thing fired up for an early August trip.

I'll add some more pictures soon. Let me know if you want to see shots of anything in particular.
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Old 07-29-2016, 11:19 AM   #94
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Need to take some more photos, but wanted to check in with some progress. Relocated the batteries off the tongue to the curb side dinette seat in an end-to-end configuration as rearward as possible with vented box by Quickcable. Drain line and interconnecting power line (outdoor unit to indoor unit) are roughed in through the cabinet and down the curb side corner. Drain will exit directly through the floor. Power line comes across the front of the trailer and exits with the main power feed through the floor on the driver's side near the other factory wiring penetrations. Refrigerant lines route through cabinet and down the driver's side corner as a mirror image of the drain/power configuration. Lines will exit through the floor and turn along frame. New dual 15 amp breaker (one spare) added in the WFCO power center.

The cabinet structure and the removable wall pieces in the front corners have made it possible to make this look really clean. The oak grilles match the cabinets almost exactly.

Now I need to figure out the arrangement for the condenser on the tongue and hopefully have this thing fired up for an early August trip.

I'll add some more pictures soon. Let me know if you want to see shots of anything in particular.
Brilliant ! Great looking job installing in your cabinet ! My hat is off to you ! Pat
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Old 07-29-2016, 02:48 PM   #95
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Looking good!

I would be interested in seeing how that battery box packages under the dinette seat, but there's no rush.
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Old 07-29-2016, 08:34 PM   #96
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Looking good!

I would be interested in seeing how that battery box packages under the dinette seat, but there's no rush.
Here is a shot. Still deciding on exact placement. It is right over the frame rail which is good. I figure as far rearward as possible is best, but you lose all practical functionality of the dinette bench end door. Haven't bolted it down yet!
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I'd shove it back at least far enough to get a few bottles of wine in the door..........
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I'd shove it back at least far enough to get a few bottles of wine in the door..........
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Old 07-30-2016, 12:16 AM   #99
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Here is a shot. Still deciding on exact placement. It is right over the frame rail which is good. I figure as far rearward as possible is best, but you lose all practical functionality of the dinette bench end door.
I agree that sitting right over the frame rail is structurally ideal, although I'm sure further outboard could be managed, perhaps with some bracing assistance. Is there room to shift the box outboard to gain a slice of storage space, and still be able to open the top of the box?

While rearward is preferable to compensate for the outdoor unit of the air conditioning, the batteries have so much mass that perhaps anywhere under the dinette is enough... I haven't calculated the balance, but that can be done easily if you want to measure the dimensions. It is a shame to sacrifice readily accessible storage space, so even a small compartment left behind the cabinet door is an appealing idea.

If space is left in front of the battery box, it could be accessed through an outside hatch, although the hatch can't get very close to the front corner because the body starts to curve... and the vent hose compromises the top of the space unless it turns sharply and goes out the side wall.

I was hoping that two GC2 batteries might fit in a side-by-side box, rather than this end-to-end box, to use less of the bench length. Although the box has two GC2 batteries in it, the label appears to indicate that it is a 4D box, and indeed it looks like QuickCable's 120177 - which they list as both Group 4D Commercial Battery Box and Dual 6 Volt/4D GC2 Battery Box - which has enough length and more than enough width for the two GC2 batteries. A more square box (such as the QuickCable Dual 6 Volt/GC2 Battery Box) would hold each battery with the long dimension across the trailer width, so the dimension along the trailer length is enough to hold twice the battery width... so less of the bench.

Using the QuickCable boxes for examples, this means a box which is 6-3/4" shorter (along the trailer length) and only needs 1/2" more width. Unfortunately, QuickCable's side-by-side dual GC2 box is almost 2" taller than the 4D box, and perhaps too tall for the seat cabinet. Obviously the extra height is not needed for normal GC2 batteries, so QuickCable is presumably allowing for the extra-tall GC2 batteries which are available.
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Old 07-30-2016, 10:17 PM   #100
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It is a shame to sacrifice readily accessible storage space, so even a small compartment left behind the cabinet door is an appealing idea.
Brian you came through again. It is the 120177 box and I had to make it work because it cannot be returned through Fastenal. I slid the box forward enough to keep some storage behind the access door and vent the box out the front. The seat support structure made it difficult to do it any other way. Battery box lid comes off easily for access.
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