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Old 07-16-2016, 04:58 PM   #61
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I thought that's what the 1Up was for, 2 bikes and an air conditioner.
What, and have a back end that looks like it is from Alaska?
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Old 07-16-2016, 05:28 PM   #62
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The tough part is figuring out a place for the condensing unit. Not to keen on having it hanging off the back.
Although the aesthetics would take work, right in front of the nose is available. Since the front of the 5.0TA is almost straight across, an object can be mounted in the middle and not hit anything. This location has been used for generators (or this) and bikes on larger fifth-wheels. Not suggesting, just observing...

Even the back isn't so bad. Shift the spare to one side, set the outdoor unit just above the bumper beside it, maybe put a nerf bar around it, and make a drop-on travel cover (or use a propane tank cover as Dave plans). I like the idea of something that looks like a couple of propane tanks back there - it might discourage traffic from following too closely.
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Even the back isn't so bad. Shift the spare to one side, set the outdoor unit just above the bumper beside it, maybe put a nerf bar around it, and make a drop-on travel cover (or use a propane tank cover as Dave plans). I like the idea of something that looks like a couple of propane tanks back there - it might discourage traffic from following too closely.
Don't get me wrong, the aesthetics of this setup on the 19 might not be for everyone. It looks like the outdoor unit will go on the front of the tongue with propane behind. The propane cover on the condenser won't work because I realized the dual 30 lb cover only gets taller. I need a little more width. Plus I'm not too keen on two propane covers stacked next to each other. I found a canvas cover online made for a mini-split condenser, but it looks cheap. Might be a custom cover in the works that will protect it during travel and break up the front a bit. I don't think looking like I have 4 propane tanks up front is a good look!
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Old 07-16-2016, 07:18 PM   #64
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Don't get me wrong, the aesthetics of this setup on the 19 might not be for everyone.
I don't have any issue with the plans for the 19'... but a box on the front of a 5.0TA calls for some attention to appearance, since it has no corresponding tongue area and the unit would be out in front of the loft. Besides, on any model - it's your trailer!

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It looks like the outdoor unit will go on the front of the tongue with propane behind. The propane cover on the condenser won't work because I realized the dual 30 lb cover only gets taller. I need a little more width..
Right - the common size of 20-pound and 30-pound tanks is the same other than height, so the same holders work for both. The overall length and width of the condenser unit appear to match the propane tanks, so I assume that the fit issue is that the propane covers are too rounded on the corners.

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Plus I'm not too keen on two propane covers stacked next to each other. I found a canvas cover online made for a mini-split condenser, but it looks cheap. Might be a custom cover in the works that will protect it during travel and break up the front a bit. I don't think looking like I have 4 propane tanks up front is a good look!
The look of four propane tanks might be a conversation starter, but if you want to avoid that the slickest solution would be a custom box covering both the tanks and the air conditioning unit. A single box would be nearly square, but slightly wider in back; it can be wider at the back than required for the tanks, if you want some bonus cargo space. It would need to have a front part which lifts off, or side and front doors which open.

Custom boxes are certainly possible, although you need some skills...
Tongue box options

By the way, assuming that the tongue of the 19' is at least as long as the tongue of the 17', baglo's illustration of dimensions suggests that the condenser unit could sit a few inches further back than the stock propane location (since the space from tanks in stock location to body is greater than the tanks need in their new location).
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The overall length and width of the condenser unit appear to match the propane tanks, so I assume that the fit issue is that the propane covers are too rounded on the corners.
Exactly.
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Old 07-17-2016, 09:20 AM   #66
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Although the aesthetics would take work, right in front of the nose is available. Since the front of the 5.0TA is almost straight across, an object can be mounted in the middle and not hit anything. This location has been used for generators (or this) and bikes on larger fifth-wheels. Not suggesting, just observing...

Even the back isn't so bad. Shift the spare to one side, set the outdoor unit just above the bumper beside it, maybe put a nerf bar around it, and make a drop-on travel cover (or use a propane tank cover as Dave plans). I like the idea of something that looks like a couple of propane tanks back there - it might discourage traffic from following too closely.
I don't think the look of the condenser permanently mounted on the front would be so nice. Besides, I am considering mounting a receiver to the pin box for the bike rack. This would free up the rear for a cargo box if desired. All this is just conjecture at this point, as none of these ideas will actually take shape until after I get the trailer, and start my work on it, and end up seeing what my needs will be. I have a feeling I will end up with more than enough space without an additional box.

Besides, I don't know how much I will actually use A/C as past camping has proven that I rarely need it, but who knows what the future brings.......
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Don't get me wrong, the aesthetics of this setup on the 19 might not be for everyone. It looks like the outdoor unit will go on the front of the tongue with propane behind. The propane cover on the condenser won't work because I realized the dual 30 lb cover only gets taller. I need a little more width. Plus I'm not too keen on two propane covers stacked next to each other. I found a canvas cover online made for a mini-split condenser, but it looks cheap. Might be a custom cover in the works that will protect it during travel and break up the front a bit. I don't think looking like I have 4 propane tanks up front is a good look!
I too was thinking like Brian said, that incorporating everything on the tongue into one custom box would be the cleanest look.
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Exactly.
Interesting project and one that I understand. My Scamp came with a new, still in the box a/c which I never installed and sold. I've had several RV's and never liked the roof top units. For my Escape I just use a window mounted portable unit for the few times I want a/c.

I like the split unit and I think your interior mounting position is perfect.

My old Scamp had the sewer hose mounted horizontally across the front. I'm not suggesting that you do that but is there any chance that stacking the units would work? Some sort of frame work or a box that would hold the tanks above the a/c or even the opposite with doors on the front for access to the tanks?

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Stacking solution

You might contact Orbital Machine Works. The make a couple of tank enclosure/stands that designed to mount a generator on top. I'm sure they'd be able to adapt their top to hold a light item. Nice & clean looking, too.

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It could go over the propane tanks in their stock location, but I wouldn't want everything so far forward. Dave plans to move the batteries, but if they were left where they are the outdoor unit could go over them, instead of over the propane. For battery access, the air conditioning unit would then need to be movable, or the batteries would need to be mounted on a slide. The propane tank housing from Orbital might make more sense to me with tanks further back.
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Old 07-17-2016, 03:19 PM   #70
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You might contact Orbital Machine Works. The make a couple of tank enclosure/stands that designed to mount a generator on top. I'm sure they'd be able to adapt their top to hold a light item. Nice & clean looking, too.

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I was actually looking at this enclosure as I came across this company when doing some mods on my fathers Scamp. Not sure how it would help though because with the condenser out front I would lose access to the tanks as they can no longer be lifted up and off. Mounting the condenser on the top shelf would create new issues like worse aesthetics with the unit up high and it may be more difficult to support properly. I appreciate all the thoughts and brainstorming because even ruling stuff out is helping.
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