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Old 06-14-2016, 06:48 PM   #41
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If you are taking issue with the trucker's comment, instead of simply knocking his experience that you may or may not have, either of you please explain.
I did explain, both how the experience is not relevant and what is wrong with his guidance. If anything I said was not clear, please let me know.

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He is saying, in effect, that you need a WDH when the weight you are pulling comes close to your tow vehicle capacity. That is what we most see in fiberglass situations, and hence, many use a WDH for that very reason. The fact there there are a number of possible considerations does not detract from his basically correct statement.
You could just as easily say "you need WDH over two tons of trailer", and it would be equally invalid but also generally match lightweight travel trailer situations. That's not worth anything.

I explained specifically why it is irrelevant to WDH use whether the weight you are pulling comes close to your tow vehicle capacity.

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... yes, what he says is basically correct. So when someone has a great big powerful heavy truck that can tow nearly twice or more of the loaded weight of a small trailer, it is generally thought that a WDH is of little use.
Actually, if "great big powerful heavy truck" means one of the heavier pickup trucks (four tons of truck with four hundred horsepower, so big it doesn't fit in a parking space), it is an illustration of how wrong this advice is. These trucks can tow six to nine tons (conventional, not fifth-wheel), and routinely require WDH use over about half of that... not just close to their limit.

Of course any vehicle which is towing a trailer which is small compared to the tow vehicle won't need WD. This is quite different from "not close to what the tow vehicle is rated to tow", since towing ratings don't have a close relationship to tow vehicle weight.
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Old 06-14-2016, 08:29 PM   #42
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It's been discussed many times before, but anecdotal arguments aren't as valid as the manufacturer recommendations derived from their engineers. Brian's advice is sound. WDH systems redistribute some of the weight from the back to the front of your tow. Depending on the vehicle, that may or may not be needed - and it has little to do with the size of the vehicle.


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It's been discussed many times before, but anecdotal arguments aren't as valid as the manufacturer recommendations derived from their engineers. Brian's advice is sound. WDH systems redistribute some of the weight from the back to the front of your tow. Depending on the vehicle, that may or may not be needed - and it has little to do with the size of the vehicle.


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Size was never mentioned. The trucker referred to weight and his statement remains correct particularly with regard to the tow vehicles of many, if not most, fiberglass trailers being close to the weight of the trailer, therefore benefitting from a WDH.
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I did explain, both how the experience is not relevant and what is wrong with his guidance. If anything I said was not clear, please let me know.


You could just as easily say "you need WDH over two tons of trailer", and it would be equally invalid but also generally match lightweight travel trailer situations. That's not worth anything.

I explained specifically why it is irrelevant to WDH use whether the weight you are pulling comes close to your tow vehicle capacity.


Actually, if "great big powerful heavy truck" means one of the heavier pickup trucks (four tons of truck with four hundred horsepower, so big it doesn't fit in a parking space), it is an illustration of how wrong this advice is. These trucks can tow six to nine tons (conventional, not fifth-wheel), and routinely require WDH use over about half of that... not just close to their limit.

Of course any vehicle which is towing a trailer which is small compared to the tow vehicle won't need WD. This is quite different from "not close to what the tow vehicle is rated to tow", since towing ratings don't have a close relationship to tow vehicle weight.

His experience as a trucker may or may not be relevant but since we are not truckers, we would have no idea how such experience might inform (or not) his opinion on this. He does, however, tow a travel trailer. And doing such, he may know what many of us know about WDHs and when they are needed or can be beneficial. I certainly know that we are going to continue to use one and that it is called for in our situation. Nobody has to be an expert of any kind to figure that out, but as a trucker, he may have looked at that situation more than most with regard to travel trailers.

He did not say that a WDH is needed for over two tons of trailer and there is nothing comparable about that statement.

On your comment about how wrong his advice supposedly is, I believe that he was being asked about towing a travel trailer, and maybe a small one at that, and you are talking about towing huge loads. Your example is not related to small travel trailers. Maybe his comment was to the person who asked him and was on that subject while you are on another.

Your claim that it is irrelevant whether the weight being pulled is close to the towing capacity as far as needing a WDH, really?? Well, that is in fact what seems to be most often used in the real world to decide that one needs a WDH, and with good reason. In fact, I would think that Escape and every other fiberglass trailer maker use that every day.

For those with a 3500 towing capacity, they often use a WDH to tow an Escape 17', for instance, because their loaded weight is 3000 or more. With what vehicles is this simply not relevant for a 17'? For those towing a 19' or 21' who have a 4500 or 5000 towing capacity, they often use a WDH with weights of 3500-4300. With what similar vehicles for a 19' or 21' would their numbers be irrelevant to use of a WDH?

The man has made a general statement which is correct. Just because you can find some example that does not seem to meet it still does not make it incorrect. His statement is certainly correct with what we have seen for the vast majority of Escapes.
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If you are taking issue with the trucker's comment, instead of simply knocking his experience that you may or may not have, either of you please explain.

He is saying, in effect, that you need a WDH when the weight you are pulling comes close to your tow vehicle capacity. That is what we most see in fiberglass situations, and hence, many use a WDH for that very reason. The fact there there are a number of possible considerations does not detract from his basically correct statement.
The point Brian was making that driving the large commercial rigs does not make you an expert in towing travel trailers with pickups or SUVs. I have over 30 years experience driving the big rigs, but I found that towing a travel trailer was totally different. And my many years of commercial experience certainly didn't make me an expert on when and when not to use a WDH.
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We have people running over to us every time to help us get in --- guess they are worried that we will run over them or their trailer while trying. We actually are much better than we used to be --- but they can't seem to tell that!
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I am buying a 21' and will be towing with a Tundra Crewmax 4x4. That puts the truck weight at more than 2000 lbs more than the loaded weight of the trailer. Towing capacity is over twice the trailer weight.

Currently, I do not think I need a WDH - am I wrong?
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