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Old 06-15-2016, 10:20 AM   #51
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TDF - if i had that setup I would try it without a WDH and see how it handles and feels. They are easy to obtain and not hard to install.
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I am buying a 21' and will be towing with a Tundra Crewmax 4x4. That puts the truck weight at more than 2000 lbs more than the loaded weight of the trailer. Towing capacity is over twice the trailer weight.

Currently, I do not think I need a WDH - am I wrong?

We pull a 19' with a Tundra and use one. You wont need one to tow. It would make your ride smoother.

Some folks on here are going to say you never need one. There are too many variables including personal preference and ride comfort to say that. Using one is my preference and not using one is theirs. Its one of those things that if your tow vehicle does not state that its required you are just going to have to decide for yourself.

Its like asking what replacement tires to buy on a forum. What you will get is a bunch of opinions and very little facts.
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Old 06-15-2016, 11:06 AM   #53
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do i really need an equalizer hitch?

I think it's just a distinction between "need" and "want". We don't need the Andersen hitch at all to tow our 19 with an F150. But we want it, because it makes the towing experience feel more solid and stable - at least to us.

When someone asks if they "need" a WDH, a common sense answer is that if they need to redistribute weight to the front of their tow vehicle, due to the type of tow vehicle and the weight on the tongue, AND the manufacturer recommends it, then YES.


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Old 06-15-2016, 02:32 PM   #54
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I think it's just a distinction between "need" and "want". We don't need the Andersen hitch at all to tow our 19 with an F150. But we want it, because it makes the towing experience feel more solid and stable - at least to us.
Different truck but same reasoning . A WDH is not that expensive !!.
Spending $30 to $40k on a new Escape trailer and then fretting over that cost of a WDH seems rather foolish to me. You don't need A/C or solar or any other option either
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Old 06-15-2016, 02:54 PM   #55
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I am buying a 21' and will be towing with a Tundra Crewmax 4x4. That puts the truck weight at more than 2000 lbs more than the loaded weight of the trailer. Towing capacity is over twice the trailer weight.

Currently, I do not think I need a WDH - am I wrong?
What does Toyota say? They know the vehicle better than we do. I don't know what year of truck this is, but the 2015 Tundra owner's manual says:
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If the gross trailer weight is over 5000 lb. (2268 kg), a weight distributing hitch with sufficient capacity is required.
I note that Toyota always (for all models of Toyota, for all conventional trailer) directs the user to have 9% to 11% of the trailer's gross weight on the tongue, so there is an assumption built in that 5,000 pounds of trailer means 450 to 550 pounds of tongue weight. So, no, it is not required, but you could get close to the point at which your tongue weight hits the same level as a trailer for which Toyota says to use a WDH (which looks like 550 pounds or 250 kg to me).

The relationship between towing capacity (which is based mostly on the engine and transmission) and the weight of the trailer doesn't give you any indication of whether you need a WDH, or whether it would be beneficial. The highest towing capacity for a Tundra is almost double the lowest capacity, for the same wheelbase; two Tundras of the same wheelbase would have the same need (or lack of) for a WDH, so the rated capacity means nothing to the need for WDH.

The truck being substantially heavier than the trailer is very roughly an indication that the truck is unlikely to have problems handling the trailer's weight, but that isn't very helpful in determining whether a WDH is suitable. A WDH doesn't make the trailer any lighter or easier to pull, so this isn't really a question of trailer weight.

The information that you don't mention is what is relevant to WDH use:
  • The truck has a very long wheelbase, so it is less affected by the hitch weight than a shorter vehicle; a WDH changes the effect of hitch weight on the tow vehicle's axle loads, so the truck's wheelbase length suggests that a WDH would be less useful than with other tow vehicles and the same trailer.
  • The truck has substantial rear axle capacity, so adding the entire tongue weight (plus some more due to leverage) to the truck's rear axle and suspension is not likely to be a problem at all. A WDH transfers load from the truck's rear axle and to the truck's front axle and to the trailer axles; since you don't likely need to do that - and it probably wouldn't even be beneficial to do that with a rear-wheel-drive tow vehicle like this - this common (and most fundamental) reason for using WDH doesn't likely apply.

Many people seem to use weight-distributing hitches not for their fundamental purpose (shifting load between axles) but for the side effects: restraining motion between the tow vehicle and trailer. Even with the Tundra, as others have mentioned, you may prefer the ride with WDH.
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A WDH is not that expensive !!.
Spending $30 to $40k on a new Escape trailer and then fretting over that cost of a WDH seems rather foolish to me.
I completely agree, but I hadn't noticed that cost was the major issue - or even a significant factor - in most people's WDH-or-not decision, at least in this thread.
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Old 06-15-2016, 04:02 PM   #57
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Brian, you must be psychic. I have a 2015 Tundra Crewmax Limited 4x4.

Since the 21' is about 4k loaded, I think I'll try towing without a WDH first and see how it goes.
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The most obvious situation with regard to weight meaning everything is seen all of the time by U-Haul. They have customers come in and get a trailer and proceed to load it with far more weight than their passenger vehicle has. I once saw a requirement by them that they would not allow someone to tow more than the weight of the vehicle --- just plain common sense with regard to passenger vehicles.

Many of us are not required by the manufacturer to use a WDH but we use one to transfer weight off of the back of the vehicle, to the trailer or to the front of the TV. Fiberglass trailer owners probably use passenger vehicles most of the time.

In some cases where the vehicle weight is considerably greater than the load being towed, Reace has recommended a WDH. He may see it as beneficial to move some weight off of the tongue even in cases that are not close the way many owners are, or he may just be recommending it for the smoother ride.
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