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Old 08-31-2016, 06:53 PM   #41
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I would check into that, as I can't see them running 10g wire to the water heater. When I spliced a switch into mine and it was 14g. Others have too. You really should only have a 15A breaker there, I wonder if it was just an install error?


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Old 08-31-2016, 07:04 PM   #42
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If the water heater actually has a 30 amp supply circuit, then yes the switch should be 30 amp. But...

The water heater circuit clearly only needs to have 15 amp capacity, as Carl explained. The SW6DEL installation manual says to check the placard on the appliance, but the example which they include clearly shows 12 amp maximum current (as Carl said, it is a 1440 watt heater) and specifies 14 ga wire if any AC wiring needs replacement (which is the standard for 15 amp circuits).

As Jim explained, if the wiring is 14 gauge (as it should be - heavier is pointless) the breaker must not be rated at 30 amps; if a 30 amp breaker is supplying a 14 gauge cable, the breaker needs to be removed and replaced with one rated at no more than 15 amps for safety. Since it must be at least 15 amps due to the heater size, there's only one right size.

Air conditioners need a lot of current to start, which is why the circuit has 20 amp capacity, and the corresponding 12 gauge wire.

If I have anything wrong, I hope one of the qualified electrical professionals on the forum will provide a correction.
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Old 08-31-2016, 07:10 PM   #43
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The air conditioner circuit could reasonably be 20 amp; if so, it should have 12 gauge wire.
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Can you check to see what the wire size going to the heater?

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The internal wiring of the SW6DE (and SW6DEL) is 14 gauge - I checked. It also states in the installation manual to use 14 gauge wire. Therefore, a 15 amp circuit breaker would be the max size that should be used.

If you have a larger than 15 amp breaker feeding the hot water heater, you need to get it changed. A short could burn up the wiring before the breaker would trip.
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I would check into that, as I can't see them running 10g wire to the water heater. When I spliced a switch into mine and it was 14g. Others have too. You really should only have a 15A breaker there, I wonder if it was just an install error?
I agree with Jim, Tom and Brian. If the wiring to your water heater is 14 gauge and it is controlled by a 30 amp breaker, the wire could melt and start a fire before the breaker tripped. It is a potentially dangerous situation. I would recommend you call Reace ASAP and ask him why you have a 30 amp breaker on your water heater. Something seems wrong here.
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How much trouble am I looking at to run a wire from the monitor panel to the SW6DE? From looking at the Friday pictures, it seems that I would have to pull the refrigerator and remove the back panels in all the bottom cabinets to be able to route the wire.

I've turned in my build sheet already and I don't think I could stand to hear another NO by asking Escape to run it.
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Not in my 17B. Main at top is 30, and so is "HW ELEC" at bottom.
The pictured power centre is the one which I believe is in all recent Escapes: the WFCO 8955. The installation manual for the 8955 specifies a 30-amp main breaker, and branch circuit breakers of no more than 20 amps (each). There certainly should not be a 30 amp breaker other than the main breaker in that panel, regardless of the wire size.

In addition to the listed "acceptable" breakers, there are also other brands which interchange with those types, so my guess is that it would be very easy to get a suitable replacement for the unsuitably rated 30 amp breaker. If Escape can't do it while you wait when you're there, it's a do-it-yourself level fix.

Also, you could replace that wide breaker with one (like the breakers above it) that puts two independent breakers in the same space... in case you want to add a circuit for anything.
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Not a qualified electrician by any means, but I agree -- that 30 amp breaker in the photo above labeled HW ELEC looks like a mistake. Make sure you check into it.

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I'll be sure to ask when we're up there in two weeks!
Yes, could be a mislabeling. Here is ours.
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Yes, could be a mislabeling. Here is ours.
Thanks for the photo Cathy. I don't think it's mislabeled now that I see yours. Looks like the 17B in the photo above doesn't have the transfer switch like yours, so, 5 circuit breakers instead of 6. Looks like the bottom breaker should be a 15 amp or split breaker instead of a single 30?

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