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Old 11-25-2013, 04:00 PM   #11
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I was thinking about mice or squirrels chewing on wires or rubber parts. Maybe they don't like the taste of spray foam.
Or maybe they would think it was great stuff to burrow a nice little warm home in! LOL It sure would be great if they did dislike the taste of something! Mice seem to like everything in my garage.... and I watched a red squirrel shred the overhead door's weather stripping gasket to get in at the bird seed. That led to a .22 sized hole in the siding........
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Old 11-25-2013, 04:44 PM   #12
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Another way to look at it is how far you can stretch even driving. The third week of October this year had snow along Colorado I-25. The snowmobile folks don't mind a bit.
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Old 11-25-2013, 05:02 PM   #13
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On the underbelly spray foam insulation, I remember seeing something on the forum stating you can get just the spray foam without the 12v heat pads for $500 (instead of $750 when you get both). Some forum members have reported good results doing cold weather camping with just the spray foam.

I'm planning to go that route when I order my 15'--just get the foam w/o the 12v heat pads.

I have to say, as much as I believe in the Escape product, that is one design element I hate: your fresh water tank being outside the unit and vulnerable to freezing. Just doesn't make sense to me...the tank should be in one of the dinette bench areas like Casita does.
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Old 11-25-2013, 05:09 PM   #14
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Our Scamp had an interior fresh water tank and in some situations when we filled it, the cold water would make it sweat so much that the carpet under the sink and wood floor were soaking wet. I don't miss an interior tank.
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Old 11-25-2013, 05:14 PM   #15
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I had the foam with the 12v pads on my Escape 19' and opted only for the foam on my Escape 21'. You have to be hooked up to use the 12v heat pads and if you are hooked up your tanks will not freeze. I camped down to -0- without any issue in my 19' (except for condensation)
You can ask to have your fresh tank installed under the bed, but you loose a lot of storage. My suggestion is, you have Escape install the E-Z- winterizing bypass which pulls rv antifreeze right from a antifreeze bottle thru your 12v pump. Then go camping in the winter with your lines full of antifreeze. Hook up the pump to a spare gallon of antifreeze and use the toilet only if needed. The pump will work and your tanks will be winterized also. Take along a water container for use and use the cg showers. Works like a charm.
Another option is get a 120v heated water hose, some cg offer water with heat tape. Then you have full use of the camper but you will have to winterize upon returning home, again use the E-Z- winterizing set up, takes 5 minutes.
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Old 11-25-2013, 06:45 PM   #16
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We went with extra insulation & foam insulation, but no heaters. Years of pop up camping in not so ideal weather with little or no insulation made it a no brainer for us.
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Old 11-25-2013, 08:09 PM   #17
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At the risk of causing a major debate the term "extra" insulation is a misnomer. There is no EXTRA insulation. If you order the insulation package, you GET insulation in cupboards and below benches where there is none. Therefore it is NOT extra. No extra insulation is added under the vinyl/foam headliner material (at least not in mine made in April 2013.) My advice to anyone is get the insulation package so most of your walls have some kind of insulating value. I also fail to see why this insulation package is not standard. Every trailer I have ever looked at has some kind of insulation in roof, walls and often under floors. An uninsulated wall just doesn't make sense for the quality of the Escape. Even with the insulation package, I have a section of wall under my fridge which has no insulation at all which gets very cold and transfers cold to the inside. See the pictures below.
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Old 11-25-2013, 08:19 PM   #18
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...No extra insulation is added under the vinyl/foam headliner material (at least not in mine made in April 2013.)...
I have pictures of ours being built that Tammy sent me that shows the Reflectix insulation covering all the surfaces before the foam backed liner is applied over it. Are you sure that there is no Reflectix under yours?
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Old 11-26-2013, 02:14 AM   #19
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At the risk of causing a major debate the term "extra" insulation is a misnomer. There is no EXTRA insulation. If you order the insulation package, you GET insulation in cupboards and below benches where there is none. Therefore it is NOT extra. No extra insulation is added under the vinyl/foam headliner material (at least not in mine made in April 2013.)
Hmm? So let me get this straight, when I order "Extra Insulation & Thermal Windows" I'm not really getting extra insulation? That doesn't seem right. When I originally inquired about the difference, Escape responded with this:

"The Escape has approximately an R4 value with the figerglass and the foamed backed vinyl. When the thermal windows and extra insulation (option) is added, it will bring the trailer up to an R12. The sprayfoam (option) can also be added to the underbelly of the trailer which would then make the trailer fully insulated."




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Old 11-26-2013, 05:33 AM   #20
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After owning 2 Escapes with "Extra insulation" and viewing other Escapes without "extra insulation" and viewing the build pictures of others while under construction, the following observations can be made. Without paying any extra $, the standard package includes reflectix on the walls/ceiling down to the belt line and then vinyl covering down to the belt line. Windows are single pane.
The extra $$ insulation package continues with the reflectix down to the floor and over the wheel wells and provides double pane windows. The floor, if sprayed with the foam seals the entire bottom of the trailer, front to back. Now your unit is completely covered with some insulation, top and bottom and sides.
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