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Old 11-26-2013, 07:13 PM   #41
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bisonbill, for New England, it's a no-brainer to get the insulation and thermal windows. I'd also get the foam including heating pads. Leaving out A/C can be a problem on resale, not to mention that there can be some very hot humid days even in New England as well as where you might go, unless only going north. If your head would hit it though, that would be the bigger consideration.
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Old 11-26-2013, 07:17 PM   #42
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I have to say, as much as I believe in the Escape product, that is one design element I hate: your fresh water tank being outside the unit and vulnerable to freezing. Just doesn't make sense to me...the tank should be in one of the dinette bench areas like Casita does.
I know on the 21', the fresh water tank and the black water tank are under the bed.
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Old 11-26-2013, 07:20 PM   #43
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I thought it would be good to have the tank inside until I thought about a leaky tank. And condensation as mentioned. Think a couple of people have said they had leaking tank valves they fixed.
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Old 11-26-2013, 08:01 PM   #44
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We are rookies to trailer camping (19-foot on order), but as skiers have driven in winter conditions a lot. I would think that towing a trailer over icy and snowy roads, especially mountain passes, would be a bigger deterrent to winter camping than the risk of a tank freezing.

That said, our current build list (in pencil) calls for extra insulation, double-pane windows, and sprayfoam underneath. Tammy suggested the tank heaters might not be worth the cost and the electrical drain just to guard against a freak cold snap during spring or fall camping.

Has anyone towed in winter conditions, either on purpose or because of an unexpected cold spell? And has anyone found themselves camping under conditions where a tank could very easily have frozen up?
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I know on the 21', the fresh water tank and the black water tank are under the bed.
Sorry Donna, only the black water tank is under the bed/bath area, the fresh tank is under the rear, behind the axles.
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Old 11-26-2013, 08:23 PM   #46
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Sorry Donna, only the black water tank is under the bed/bath area, the fresh tank is under the rear, behind the axles.
Well, the water heater has fresh water in it
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Old 11-26-2013, 08:40 PM   #47
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Oh... was that what I saw under D&K's bed... the hot water heater? The water pump is visible when the front drivers side hatch is opened. That's all I know... ooops.
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Yes the water heater is under the bed, near the foot. The pump is upfront under the bed, perhaps the fresh tank is there underneath and the grey is in the rear? Now you have me wondering, but it is underneath, that I'm sure of, front or back is I'll have to do some sleuthing.
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Old 11-26-2013, 08:58 PM   #49
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On my recent examination of the Escape demo units, I noted a white (or translucent) tank under each floor at the front of the stepped-up section (which is immediately behind the axle as Jim mentioned). I was mostly interested in chassis rather than plumbing, so I did not look from the streetside and thus did not notice if these were freshwater or greywater tanks. Thinking back, I don't recall noticing two tanks there on any, but I didn't look ahead of the axle(s).

If only one tank is under the floor in any fully-equipped trailer, it is typically greywater (low to allow gravity drainage from the shower).

If protecting a waste tank from damage due to freezing, the discharge piping is probably more vulnerable than the tank itself.
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Has anyone towed in winter conditions, either on purpose or because of an unexpected cold spell? And has anyone found themselves camping under conditions where a tank could very easily have frozen up?
See this:

Manning Park-Winter 2012
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