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Old 11-30-2015, 01:00 AM   #31
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Here is two electrical examples from our 2014 19':
AC wiring - the pigtail bringing AC into the trailer passes through this metal box to the panel. Looking to the input (left) a plastic pressure clamp was used, the cable had pulled out of the clamp. I couldn't push it back in more then 1/4" so I taped and supported it with two new clamps.

DC wiring - notice green (right) splice, 1" wire red, to red splice. No planning here, just leave tails on the cable and you won't find yourself 1" short of a proper slice. I found more then one of these.

I'm not saying ETI builds are any worse then average, I would need to inspect other trailers to make that determination. But obviously the workmanship of the people doing the AC and DC wiring is sloppy. In the case of the AC cable it would be 'illegal' ... but I could not find an enforceable code requirement that it did not comply with.

I contacted our City inspectors, an RV shop, and the US NTSHA.
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Old 11-30-2015, 01:06 AM   #32
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Klem,

Your pictures aren't particularly sharp. Rather fuzzy. Could you please reshoot them and post them again?
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Old 11-30-2015, 01:14 AM   #33
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Here is two electrical examples from our 2014 19':
AC wiring - the pigtail bringing AC into the trailer passes through this metal box to the panel. Looking to the input (left) a plastic pressure clamp was used, the cable had pulled out of the clamp. I couldn't push it back in more then 1/4" so I taped and supported it with two new clamps.

DC wiring - notice green (right) splice, 1" wire red, to red spot lice. No planning here, just leave tails on the cable and you won't find yourself 1" short of a proper slice. I found more then one of these.

I'm not saying ETI builds are any worse then average, I would need to inspect other trailers to make that determination. But obviously the workmanship of the people doing the AC and DC wiring is sloppy. In the case of the AC cable it would be 'illegal' ... but I could not find an enforceable code requirement that it did not comply with.

I contacted our City inspectors, an RV shop, and the US NTSHA.
Klem is the metal box under bed where my 120 cable is located ? In other words that cable then goes through trailer to get to converter box ? Just want to make sure I Understand what I am seeing . Pat
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Old 11-30-2015, 01:43 AM   #34
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CSA 'certifies' that whatever meets certain codes and standards. My point is there is no US Fed or State code regarding electrical or plumbing design and installation in RVs.
Perhaps not, but some provinces require that new recreational vehicles sold in that province meet CSA Z240... so that is "code" (regulations) regarding electrical and plumbing (including propane) design and installation in RVs.

The rough equivalent in the U.S. is the set of standards set by RVIA. I believe that RVIA's standards are generally a collection of references to specific standards for various aspects of the RV defined by other agencies. If there is no legislated requirement to meet RVIA standards or the underlying standards by other agencies, then there's no code for RVs (beyond the vehicle codes, which include exterior lighting).

When I inquired about buying a Casita (about a decade ago), I was told that they met both RVIA and CSA standards, and would label the unit with the CSA certification for sale to a Canadian customer who would need to import it to Canada and register it here. I don't know if Escape attempts to meet or certify compliance with RVIA standards.
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Old 11-30-2015, 01:52 AM   #35
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Klem is the metal box under bed where my 120 cable is located ? In other words that cable then goes through trailer to get to converter box ? Just want to make sure I Understand what I am seeing . Pat
Yes, that's correct. To the left of it you can see where the power cord enters the trailer. The cable going forward goes up the driver side behind the lower cupboard, over the wheel well, along side the bathroom and to the converter.

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I contacted our City inspectors, an RV shop, and the US NTSHA.
That's "NHTSA" (as in National Highway Traffic Safety Administration). I'm not surprised that they would not care about what's inside an RV trailer. The rough equivalent in Canada is Transport Canada: I doubt they have RV-specific rules, either.

The level that isn't listed here is the state. In Canada, I would check with provincial law enforcement agencies, but they are usually concerned mostly with commercial vehicles... and again would not generally be concerned with the "house" systems of an RV.
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Yes, that's correct. To the left of it you can see where the power cord enters the trailer. The cable going forward goes up the driver side behind the lower cupboard, over the wheel well, along side the bathroom and to the converter.

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Guess I need to check this out then . Pat
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Old 11-30-2015, 08:31 AM   #38
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It appears that Klem may be confused by comparing residential/commercial installs and rules to a rv. I'm not saying that human error does not exist. Having owned over a 1/2 dozen "new homes" there will always be issues, that is why you have a warranty. I have had heat vents that were not connected, water lines that leaked, electrical outlets that were improperly wired in a new house.
Having owned over a 1/2 dozen SOB's I can unequivocally say that ETI's builds far exceeds what I have owned and seen in Dutchman, Thor, Jayco, and Lance rv products. Two mistakes that caused -0- issues to me is acceptable in the real world of human error. But to have an improperly installed roof membrane or a faulty slide installation that causes total immobility is an inconvenience issue that is unacceptable in a new unit. The neatness of the wiring and plumbing in an Escape is not to be found elsewhere except in the very expensive motorhomes I have seen. I base this conclusion on having owned 2 new Escapes. There maybe wiring cosmetic issues, but everything works, so I'm a happy camper.
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Old 11-30-2015, 10:25 AM   #39
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Most RV manufacturers follow the. Electrical code except for NEC Art 110.12 , which states " All electrical equipment shall be installed in a neat and workmanship like manner "
Looking at the photos in this thread one can draw your own conclusion.
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I can't get the first one to open larger. Not working. And the other is somewhat blurry.
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