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Old 04-01-2013, 09:56 PM   #31
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If you are sensitive to the chemicals involved, even the vinyl itself can cause off-gassing problems, let alone the foam underneath. I don't know with any certainty, but I suspect the urethane spray insulation will cause problems to sensitive people.
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Old 04-02-2013, 01:13 AM   #32
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The foam outside underneath is not noticed inside, at any time.
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Old 04-02-2013, 07:37 AM   #33
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I appreciate seeing the video. There is nothing pretty about all that foam underneath! I just washed our Casita, which has the continuous fiberglass shell underneath and could almost wax it if I was that fanatical (not). I don't think the foam's appearance will improve with age, ice, mud, etc., but everyone who has it seems to like it. We'll probably get it on our new 19, and I just won't look under there any more often than necessary.
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I have seen it painted black on some models, maybe you can get white to make it blend in?? Escape will make it anyway you want, just ask!!
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Old 04-02-2013, 11:51 AM   #35
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I have seen it painted black on some models, maybe you can get white to make it blend in?? Escape will make it anyway you want, just ask!!
Good idea. I might ask about something darker maybe. I know it would take forever, but I wish they would sand/grind that stuff down to something a little flatter and less likely to pick up a bunch of road crud. It must work okay, though, or folks would be commenting on it, I'm sure.
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Old 04-02-2013, 11:54 AM   #36
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Is it true You can get the two layer wall insulation without the thermal windows? I thought I read someone ordered that but could not find the post. Thanks.
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Good idea. I might ask about something darker maybe. I know it would take forever, but I wish they would sand/grind that stuff down to something a little flatter and less likely to pick up a bunch of road crud. It must work okay, though, or folks would be commenting on it, I'm sure.
Nothing really sticks to it so any road grime washes off with rain.
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Old 04-02-2013, 12:04 PM   #38
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Yes -- Here's the answer I got about getting insulation without thermal windows:

"The insulation packages are a great option. Just to let you know, the thermal windows do open. The only windows that do not open are the front and rear windows of the trailer. All the other windows open. If you would like to just have the insulation, it is $500.
The sprayfoam option ( underneath insulation ) is applied in a manner that any parts that need to be accessed are available."
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Old 04-02-2013, 12:19 PM   #39
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A couple thoughts on insulation.

We picked up our fully insulated (including heat pads on the tanks) last September. We live in Colorado and sometimes like to camp in the cold. Two weeks ago we went to Big Bend National park and when returning camped in Las Vegas NM. The temperature dropped to 7 degrees F. The furnace ran pretty steady to keep the inside at about 60-65 degrees, but the double 6V batteries still had about 75% of the change left in the morning.

We put a pot of coffee on and in a matter of minutes its up to 70 degrees inside.

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The insulation under the floor keeps the floor far warmer and substantially deadens sound.

If I were to do it again, I would have Escape paint the insulation black to match everything else underneath. The "white insulation" looks terrible once it get road grime on it....
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Old 04-02-2013, 12:34 PM   #40
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A couple thoughts on insulation.

If I were to do it again, I would have Escape paint the insulation black to match everything else underneath. The "white insulation" looks terrible once it get road grime on it....
That's probably what we'll do. Did you get the 12V heating pads? We often get caught out below freezing, but wouldn't set out to do winter camping for days at a time at the really low temps you mentioned. More likely occasionally cold overnights in otherwise warm Yellowstone and that sort of thing. For that reason, I was going to pass on the heat blankets and just get the foam.
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