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Old 02-21-2015, 10:33 AM   #1
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LED wedge bulbs

Amazon has a good buy on these, they should fit your license plate and stove top lights
Amazon.com: 194 LED Light bulb, Yorkim® 2015 Newest, 5th Generation, Interior Lights for W5W 194 168 2825 T10 Wedge 5-smd 5050, Replacement and Reverse T10 White Bulbs, Used For Signal Lights, Trunk Lights, Dashboard Lights, Parking Lights, With Grea
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Old 02-21-2015, 10:56 AM   #2
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Done. Thanks for the tip Jim.
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Old 02-21-2015, 12:17 PM   #3
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How bright are these. I would not think very, with the few LEDs it has. I got burned thinking I was getting a deal before, and the lights turned out to be very dim. I ordered some much more expensive ones from https://www.superbrightleds.com/, and they are fantastic, way brighter than the ones that came in the trailer.
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Old 02-21-2015, 12:20 PM   #4
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According to the reviews they are brighter than the bulbs they are replacing.
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Old 02-21-2015, 01:30 PM   #5
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Generally, any LED small enough to directly replace a 194 is pretty low power. I haven't found one bright enough to be a useful lamp in an RV. LED units on the same base sized to fit in place of the larger 9xx-series can be much brighter.

I would hesitate to buy any lighting product that doesn't list the light output (in lumens) or at least the power consumption (a poor second choice, but gives some idea of output). These are probably fine for license plate lighting, but I would be prepared for disappointment over the stove.
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Old 02-21-2015, 01:32 PM   #6
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I just put in the super brights from M4LED.com and are happy with their brightness, got the natural white which are a bit cooler than the one Alf had replaced. They are pretty pricy but very bright, haven't had them all on at once but sure I could read without my glasses if I did!
I replaced the 3 outdoor ones as well.

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Old 02-21-2015, 01:48 PM   #7
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I just put in the super brights from M4LED.com and are happy with their brightness, got the natural white which are a bit cooler than the one Alf had replaced. They are pretty pricy but very bright, haven't had them all on at once but sure I could read without my glasses if I did!
I replaced the 3 outdoor ones as well.

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I purchased one Kaper ll #5602 Daylight white from Camper World to try it out in the dining area. Way too bright. Called Kaper ll and they gave me a part # for a New White (warm)version, #WP05-003-NW. A friend of mine ordered them in for me. Not cheap. Much better light though. Where I need less light I install them upside down. No need for filter paper.

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Adrian, lots of M4LED.com's Wedge Based LED Bulbs are described as "super bright", but none seem to provide any objective information about the light output. Which ones did you find work well for you? I would expect the bright enough units to be one of the "921-" models, rather than one of the "T5-" (194-replacement) models.
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When comparing a LED lamp to an incandescent, it depends on which LED chip & how many are located on the lamp structure. You really need to check the Lumen output of the lamp to be able to compare it to an incandescent lamp for brightness (as well as color temperature if that is important to you). While the lamp in the ad doesn't give its Lumen output, you can find out what to expect.

A 194 incandescent lamp produces 25 Lumens. It is difficult to compare this to a generic SMD5050 LED chip (the one the description states is used in the Amazon lamp) since they can be different color temperatures, driven at different voltages, etc but a typical 6000°K color temperature LED (which is quite blue compared to the 3000°K color temperature of an incandescent 194) SMD5050 produces 12~13 Lumens. Since there are 5 of them on the lamp, you can expect about 60 Lumens which is a little over 2X the brightness of the incandescent lamp.

Again, the number of & size of the LED chips doesn't indicate brightness. t have a single XML chip flashlight that produces 500 Lumens, and a 9 chip no name flashlight from Harbor Freight that produces less than 10 Lumens.
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Brian I got the 921's I think they were 12.99 but buying 10 got one free

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Also should have mentioned that the package from M4 included a beer can cooler sleeve or whatever you call these things, enjoying a beer right now in it.
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No I am not lying on the ground drinking the beer i have trouble managing attachments (and it's only been one beer)
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A 194 incandescent lamp produces 25 Lumens. It is difficult to compare this to a generic SMD5050 LED chip (the one the description states is used in the Amazon lamp) since they can be different color temperatures, driven at different voltages, etc but a typical 6000°K color temperature LED (which is quite blue compared to the 3000°K color temperature of an incandescent 194) SMD5050 produces 12~13 Lumens. Since there are 5 of them on the lamp, you can expect about 60 Lumens which is a little over 2X the brightness of the incandescent lamp.
Well explained, Jon, and that all sounds right to me. I saw another 5-LED wedge base unit claiming 75 lumen output, which might be plausible.

Even if the 5-LED wedge base unit puts out 60 lumens are more, and is thus twice as bright as a typical 194, that might not be bright enough to be satisfactory in an RV interior lamp, which would normally use something between a 918 and 921 rather than a 194...
Sylvania Incandescent Miniature / Automotive Light Bulb #194: 25 lumens
GE Incandescent Miniature / Automotive Light Bulb #918: 82 lumens
GE Incandescent Miniature / Automotive Light Bulb #921: 264 lumens

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Again, the number of & size of the LED chips doesn't indicate brightness. I have a single XML chip flashlight that produces 500 Lumens, and a 9 chip no name flashlight from Harbor Freight that produces less than 10 Lumens.
Absolutely, I have a few single-chip LED flashlights, and the brightest claims 800 to 900 lumens, which seems plausible to me.

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It is also important in purchasing LED bulbs to watch the design. LED bulbs, unlike incandescent bulbs do not have the same reflective qualities. So if you use a round bulb like shown above for a license plate it will emit light all around, perfect for that application but not so good for a ceiling mounted fixture or under the range hood.

For installing in a ceiling fixture you want to use a "pancake" style bulb that will direct all the light emitted in a concentrated direction. There are may styles, both round and square, here is one option.

I believe the lumens for an ceiling bulb should be around 70 and I personally prefer the soft white version, however some areas may benefit from the bright white option.
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Also should have mentioned that the package from M4 included a beer can cooler sleeve or whatever you call these things, enjoying a beer right now in it.
Nice Adrian, although this may belong in the "A little bit of camper levity" thread.

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Absolutely, I have a few single-chip LED flashlights, and the brightest claims 800 to 900 lumens, which seems plausible to me.
Yes it is. The wife just bought me a Duracell Flashlight at Costco that has 1000 lumens - single chip. Even came with 4 C cell batteries, for 15 bucks. Nice flashlight.
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I was not suggesting to use these in your interior lights, I assume everyone already has the LED interior package. But the little night light in the stove is not led not are the license plate lights, these are for those items, not to read by. Also the little marker lights are wedge if you have the non led exterior lights.
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I was not suggesting to use these in your interior lights, I assume everyone already has the LED interior package. But the little night light in the stove is not led not are the license plate lights, these are for those items, not to read by.
And that's exactly what I'll be using them for.
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... the little night light in the stove...
Ah, I misinterpreted "stove top lights" as the stove hood, not the stove itself
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