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Old 10-16-2016, 04:00 PM   #31
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While the SC devices may not be inexpensive, it is the cost of the whole system which matters. A conventional device requires a box, to be installed in a simple panel cut-out it would need to be at least an old-work box, and the biggest factor would likely be installation time.

On the other hand, for many locations in RVs the ability to install the SCDs with no access to the back of the device and in a shallow space is certainly valuable.

While not a fan of the insulation-displacing contacts, my biggest issues with these outlets (the version in my motorhome) are:
  • the clamping mechanism is not very effective, so they can work loose from the panel (I have that issue with a couple of them, but to be fair the rest have been fine), and
  • the faceplates are specific to the device (you can't use industry-standard faceplates), and the snap-on design won't stay in place if the device has mounting issues (I have one installed through a carpeted panel - don't do that, and Escape doesn't)

I despise twist-on wire nuts. Traditional set-screw type connectors (such as those from Marr) make a more solid connection.

You can eliminate wire nuts in feed-through installations of conventional receptacles by connecting incoming wires to one pair of screw terminals on the receptacle, and outgoing wires to the other pair, passing the current through the bridges between terminals. Although not compliant with the wiring codes that I've seen, this doesn't seem fundamentally any different from the feed-through method approved and described by the manufacturer for the SCDs.
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Old 10-16-2016, 04:15 PM   #32
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You can easily add adapters to the older round 12v style for USB also.
Using one of those cheap 12V to USB adapters might be why the battery in my iPhone 5 swelled up, cracking the case open. But, what could one expect at two for five dollars?
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Old 10-16-2016, 04:38 PM   #33
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Using one of those cheap 12V to USB adapters might be why the battery in my iPhone 5 swelled up, cracking the case open. But, what could one expect at two for five dollars?
The charging control in this case is done by the iPhone. Is the theory that the cheap adapter put out such high voltage that the iPhone couldn't handle it, or that the iPhone was so offended by association with a cheap non-Apple device that it blew up in a huff?

Failing lithium ion batteries and failing electronic equipment (including Apple's Chinese-made hardware, just like every other brand) are not uncommon.
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Old 10-16-2016, 04:46 PM   #34
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I should also add only have one 12 volt, very inconvenient under dinette . maybe later add more . This was the simplest solution for our solution . Pat
I have maybe 4-6 of those USB/120V outlets, some with night lights but found that when trying to replace the stock 120v outlet the boxes were too small, both in the trailer and at home. So they sit in the basement, unused.
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Is the theory that the cheap adapter put out such high voltage that the iPhone couldn't handle it, or that the iPhone was so offended by association with a cheap non-Apple device that it blew up in a huff?
Could be either, but I think from what I read, it's getting overcharged.

From a support site: "It is most probably the battery. Since the battery pack is enclosed in a sealed bag, the gas inside expands due to overheating either by overcharging (esp. if you use replacement charging cables or other charging accessories) or the battery and overcharge cutoff system is not functioning properly."
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I have maybe 4-6 of those USB/120V outlets, some with night lights but found that when trying to replace the stock 120v outlet the boxes were too small, both in the trailer and at home. So they sit in the basement, unused.
I guess for once I lucked out with this trailer . The boxes Escape installed worked very nice with this outlet ' s . Plenty of room . Bought on Amazon . Believe they were Cooper . Pat
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To be fair, if the multi-hundred-dollar phone depends on the power supply for current limiting, any charger that puts out more than the one amp provided by Apple's charger for the iPhone 5 - including possibly Apple's other chargers - could charge the phone's battery too quickly. I suppose the phone could be that stupid...

It cannot be the charger's fault if charging is continued for too long, because cutting off the charge is the phone's job.
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I better tell my computer engineer nephew and my former student who now works for an Israeli computer security firm that all that Apple hardware they keep buying is total junk, I'm sure they are both probably just horribly misinformed.....
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Son-in-law replaced the battery for $11 and then sold the phone on Craig's list. Bought me a 5s on Ebay. Works for me.
But, I'm going to charge the phone with the Apple charger and a small inverter. I've used other non-Apple chargers and the phone knows and alerts you. ( PS. somebody needs to explain why this software flags "inverter" as a spelling mistake ).
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or that the iPhone was so offended by association with a cheap non-Apple device that it blew up in a huff?
Good one. I've used those outlets for several years with multiple devices without incident. Of course I'm not in the elite class of being an Apple user.

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