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Old 05-14-2015, 11:32 PM   #1
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What are these options/modifications?

Okay, I spent all day reading through the forum, while catching up on some of my TV shows I missed while I was on the month-long road trip in the rental RV. I've made oodles of notes. I was mostly reading about various options - both on and off the list options. Many of them I'm very clueless about (very new to this whole RVing life), so thought I'd ask what the heck they are or why you'd want 'em. Others I really like, such as adding another cabinet above the one there currently in the 21'. One can never have enough cabinet space in my opinion.

Thanks for any and all answers! Here they are, in no particular order:

1. Did the vents in the bathroom door help with heat/cold distribution as well as reducing any condensation?

2. Someone mentioned reversing the bed and dinette, but I forgot to write down which trailer it was and I'm not going back through 30+ pages of options from 3 different threads. Anyone know? And why reverse? Did it make a difference in towing as the weight distribution was changed?

3. Was the drawer under the 21' bed done by ETI? It looked great!

4. A few times it was mentioned removing the bathroom sink. Has this made a big enough difference in using the bathroom's shower and/or toilet? I never used the sink in the rental and just washed my hands in the kitchen sink.

5. Someone (Donna A, I think) mentioned getting a different kitchen sink and faucet. Has anyone supplied (or does ETI supply) a faucet with the lever instead of two handles? I have tendonitis and the lever type are far easier for me to use as I can use my wrist when my hands hurt.

6. Venting in enclosed storage cabinets. Was this really worthwhile?

7. I don't see it listed in the brochures - is there a black tank flush? Can it be added if there isn't? I don't see it listed as an option or a standard feature.

8. Are Umbra hooks really good? I kept seeing mention of them. As well as Command something-or-other. Are these the only kinds to use in an RV?

9. Several times a hinged dinette table was mentioned. I don't plan to take the dinette down very often to make into a bed (I told hubby he snores loud enough that being across the trailer won't make a difference, so it'd be better if he's in the same bed so I can keep poking him awake - HA!), but I'm wondering which would be better for my feet not to bang into - a hinged or pedestal table. As well as which travels better while on the road.

10. A foot pedal toilet is listed as an option. What is there normally? That's the only kind I've seen in RVs (granted, I don't have tons of experience with them).

11. Somebody reversed their sink and stove (don't remember which trailer it was). Why do this? Was it worthwhile? Or would others want to do that if they had thought of it?

12. Not having the range hood was mentioned. Why? The fan and light in the rental RV was pretty pathetic and I would always open the kitchen window and many times the door to vent out steam from cooking. The fan didn't do anything, so I could see not wanting it on there to save weight.

13. What's a battery monitor cable?

14. Double sink - is there enough room for it? Or even a larger than usual sink as it seems rather small. Gotta fit my waffle iron so it can get cleaned. (Hum, might take that tomorrow with me when viewing the 21 - good idea!)

15. LED indicator switch for hot water heater? Huh? Why? What is there normally?

16. This was not mentioned directly, although Donna did say she uses a double bed mattress in her 5.0 instead of a queen. Can the pedestal for the bed be smaller so a smaller bed would be up there and you could walk around it? It doesn't look like you can walk around the bed from the photos on their site. That looks very awkward, to say the least. I can't really crawl around on my knees to get into bed all the time.

17. What are stabilizer pads?

18. A screen room was mentioned and I saw it on their site. Having never seen one in person, how all do they work? Do you have a flap for going in and out that kind of keeps down the bugs from getting in? Is the flap magnetic? Does the screen room fit tightly against the trailer to keep the bug population down somewhat? If not, what's the point of one?

19. Do they have a pull-out sprayer kitchen faucet option or is that one you have to supply?

20. Custom graphics was mentioned. What were they and why? Just to make yours different looking from others? And where do you purchase them? (Any with cats?)

21. Flush mounted sink and stove. Why? Did you have to supply them yourself?

22. Wall switches by the door was mentioned. Where are they normally? Or do you reach up to turn off the lights in the ceiling instead of one main switch for all of them?

23. Winterizing t-value? What the heck is a t-value?

24. Digital thermostat - as opposed to what?

25. Someone said they didn't like the 9" vent in the bathroom as he didn't know if he'd be able to replace it if it got broken. Is this a problem? Either with breakage or replacement.

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Old 05-14-2015, 11:40 PM   #2
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Hmm...are you sure you're not from Chilliwack? Or if not, and since you know how to start a few threads, and since you know Donna D. did a custom sink you must know most, if not all your questions have been asked/answered a time or two. Just wondering.
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Okay, I spent all day reading through the forum, while catching up on some of my TV shows I missed while I was on the month-long road trip in the rental RV. I've made oodles of notes. I was mostly reading about various options - both on and off the list options. Many of them I'm very clueless about (very new to this whole RVing life), so thought I'd ask what the heck they are or why you'd want 'em. Others I really like, such as adding another cabinet above the one there currently in the 21'. One can never have enough cabinet space in my opinion.

Thanks for any and all answers! Here they are, in no particular order:

1. Did the vents in the bathroom door help with heat/cold distribution as well as reducing any condensation?

2. Someone mentioned reversing the bed and dinette, but I forgot to write down which trailer it was and I'm not going back through 30+ pages of options from 3 different threads. Anyone know? And why reverse? Did it make a difference in towing as the weight distribution was changed?

3. Was the drawer under the 21' bed done by ETI? It looked great!

4. A few times it was mentioned removing the bathroom sink. Has this made a big enough difference in using the bathroom's shower and/or toilet? I never used the sink in the rental and just washed my hands in the kitchen sink.

5. Someone (Donna A, I think) mentioned getting a different kitchen sink and faucet. Has anyone supplied (or does ETI supply) a faucet with the lever instead of two handles? I have tendonitis and the lever type are far easier for me to use as I can use my wrist when my hands hurt.

6. Venting in enclosed storage cabinets. Was this really worthwhile?

7. I don't see it listed in the brochures - is there a black tank flush? Can it be added if there isn't? I don't see it listed as an option or a standard feature.

8. Are Umbra hooks really good? I kept seeing mention of them. As well as Command something-or-other. Are these the only kinds to use in an RV?

9. Several times a hinged dinette table was mentioned. I don't plan to take the dinette down very often to make into a bed (I told hubby he snores loud enough that being across the trailer won't make a difference, so it'd be better if he's in the same bed so I can keep poking him awake - HA!), but I'm wondering which would be better for my feet not to bang into - a hinged or pedestal table. As well as which travels better while on the road.

10. A foot pedal toilet is listed as an option. What is there normally? That's the only kind I've seen in RVs (granted, I don't have tons of experience with them).

11. Somebody reversed their sink and stove (don't remember which trailer it was). Why do this? Was it worthwhile? Or would others want to do that if they had thought of it?

12. Not having the range hood was mentioned. Why? The fan and light in the rental RV was pretty pathetic and I would always open the kitchen window and many times the door to vent out steam from cooking. The fan didn't do anything, so I could see not wanting it on there to save weight.

13. What's a battery monitor cable?

14. Double sink - is there enough room for it? Or even a larger than usual sink as it seems rather small. Gotta fit my waffle iron so it can get cleaned. (Hum, might take that tomorrow with me when viewing the 21 - good idea!)

15. LED indicator switch for hot water heater? Huh? Why? What is there normally?

16. This was not mentioned directly, although Donna did say she uses a double bed mattress in her 5.0 instead of a queen. Can the pedestal for the bed be smaller so a smaller bed would be up there and you could walk around it? It doesn't look like you can walk around the bed from the photos on their site. That looks very awkward, to say the least. I can't really crawl around on my knees to get into bed all the time.

17. What are stabilizer pads?

18. A screen room was mentioned and I saw it on their site. Having never seen one in person, how all do they work? Do you have a flap for going in and out that kind of keeps down the bugs from getting in? Is the flap magnetic? Does the screen room fit tightly against the trailer to keep the bug population down somewhat? If not, what's the point of one?

19. Do they have a pull-out sprayer kitchen faucet option or is that one you have to supply?

20. Custom graphics was mentioned. What were they and why? Just to make yours different looking from others? And where do you purchase them? (Any with cats?)

21. Flush mounted sink and stove. Why? Did you have to supply them yourself?

22. Wall switches by the door was mentioned. Where are they normally? Or do you reach up to turn off the lights in the ceiling instead of one main switch for all of them?

23. Winterizing t-value? What the heck is a t-value?

24. Digital thermostat - as opposed to what?

25. Someone said they didn't like the 9" vent in the bathroom as he didn't know if he'd be able to replace it if it got broken. Is this a problem? Either with breakage or replacement.

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If you're visiting the 21 owner I think you are, just take your list and go over all your items with him. He is exceptionally knowledgeable and will enjoy showing you all his modifications.
Plan to stay a good long while, and bring your camera or smart phone.
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Hmm...are you sure you're not from Chilliwack? Or if not, and since you know how to start a few threads, and since you know Donna D. did a custom sink you must know most, if not all your questions have been asked/answered a time or two. Just wondering.
Actually, no I do not know my questions have already been asked and answered. As mentioned to me on the phone this evening by the owner of the 21' I'm viewing tomorrow, one can spend months on this forum. And since I've only been here for a few days, I've not had time to read every single thread and post. So, sorry to ask questions again. Just ignore this thread then if you're not happy with my questions.

Gawd, what a way to kill a good feeling about this forum.

Signing off now for the night.
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"Okay, I spent all day reading through the forum" was your opening statement. Sorry if I was wrong and offended you.
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16. This was not mentioned directly, although Donna did say she uses a double bed mattress in her 5.0 instead of a queen. Can the pedestal for the bed be smaller so a smaller bed would be up there and you could walk around it? It doesn't look like you can walk around the bed from the photos on their site. That looks very awkward, to say the least. I can't really crawl around on my knees to get into bed all the time.
RV trailers which go up over the truck box ("fifth-wheels") come in
  • high profile (height to walk upright around the bed in the bedroom)
  • medium profile (height to walk around the bed crouching)
  • low profile? (height to crawl into the bed)

The original fifth-wheels were all low. Combined horse trailers / RV trailers (which seems obscure, but there are probably more of them then there are Escapes) are all low. If the Escape 5.0 were high profile, it would be much taller and not practical to tow with a small truck.

The mattress is directly on the floor deck of the bedroom loft; there is no pedestal.

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17. What are stabilizer pads?
Pads or feet which are attached to the end of the stabilizers, especially useful for soft campsite surfaces.
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23. Winterizing t-value? What the heck is a t-value?
"T-valve", not "t-value": a valve that allows pumping plumbing antifreeze into the fresh water system to winterize.
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Laura, we just purchased a 2014 21' several months back, and our first trip will be going to the rally in Osoyoos. And even though I have been following this forum religiously ever since, I still was not able to answer a lot of your questions. So I very much appreciated them and look forward to any of the answers. If you come to the rally, please look us up. We hope we get to meet you and hubby.

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A lot of Escape owners have gone with the Umbra, so they must be attractive and practical.
I've gone with the 3M Command hooks. I like them because they can be removed and moved without damage to the surface. I started with white plastic and then replaced those with the brushed nickle ( except in the shower where they are still white ). I've put up hooks and then removed them because they didn't work as desired. ( for instance I had one on the side of the fridge above the bed, but found that I got tangled in a shirt hung on that hook while sleeping. OK for hanging a hat.
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5. Someone (Donna A, I think) mentioned getting a different kitchen sink and faucet. Has anyone supplied (or does ETI supply) a faucet with the lever instead of two handles? I have tendonitis and the lever type are far easier for me to use as I can use my wrist when my hands hurt.

19. Do they have a pull-out sprayer kitchen faucet option or is that one you have to supply?
I'm not sure but I suspect a house faucet will work. If it fits the holes and isn't too big one could be substituted.

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11. Somebody reversed their sink and stove (don't remember which trailer it was). Why do this? Was it worthwhile? Or would others want to do that if they had thought of it?

12. Not having the range hood was mentioned. Why? The fan and light in the rental RV was pretty pathetic and I would always open the kitchen window and many times the door to vent out steam from cooking. The fan didn't do anything, so I could see not wanting it on there to save weight.
We have a 19 we obtained used. The previous owners had the stove and sink reversed. This would put the range hood near the door and interfere with getting in and out plus sight lines. But they took out the range hood also so everything is fine. The overhead fan seems to be enough ventilation for cooking so we haven't missed the hood. I like this arrangement but haven't used the stock set-up.

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14. Double sink - is there enough room for it? Or even a larger than usual sink as it seems rather small. Gotta fit my waffle iron so it can get cleaned. (Hum, might take that tomorrow with me when viewing the 21 - good idea!)
No, there isn't enough room for it.

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15. LED indicator switch for hot water heater? Huh? Why? What is there normally?
There is no indication the water heater is on. If left on it'll use excess propane and, if the hot water tank were drained (for storage) it could hurt it. We've done fine remembering it's on and a glance at the on/off switch tell its state, but not as noticeable as a light.

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21. Flush mounted sink and stove. Why? Did you have to supply them yourself?
I doubt ETI would install a flush mount sink, doesn't hurt to ask. We have one in our 1955 Shasta (renovated) and like it. As in the house, it's nice to wipe stuff right into the sink without a lip getting in the way. We had to look a long time, and jump through a lot of loops, to get and install a flush mount sink.

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999. What about raising the dinette in the 19?
We raised the dinette in our 19 and its a pain after manufacture. It's an option that ETI will do and I suggest considering it. I don't think it can be combined with the cot option, but if you don't need that... Be sure to sit at the dinette of a 19 and see it the seats are high enough for you before ordering.

P.S. There is a fiberglass trailer rally in Bandon July 17-19. It's a good place to see other brands of fiberglass trailers if interested.

PPSS. You may be the only person to define their build list BEFORE deciding to purchase an Escape. This takes most people 6+ months after ordering. Way to go.
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Did the vents in the bathroom door help with heat/cold distribution as well as reducing any condensation?
Don’t know. It’s a mod by an owner – not the factory.

2. Someone mentioned reversing the bed and dinette, but I forgot to write down which trailer it was and I'm not going back through 30+ pages of options from 3 different threads. Anyone know? And why reverse? Did it make a difference in towing as the weight distribution was changed?
You can reverse the bed and the dinette on the 19, which puts the bed (albeit a little smaller one) up front, and provides for a very large lounge area in the back. Some have done it.
3. Was the drawer under the 21' bed done by ETI? It looked great!
Owner’s mod.
4. A few times it was mentioned removing the bathroom sink. Has this made a big enough difference in using the bathroom's shower and/or toilet? I never used the sink in the rental and just washed my hands in the kitchen sink.
The sink is quite small, and therefore some don’t consider it useful. We use ours to brush our teeth instead of at the kitchen sink.
5. Someone (Donna A, I think) mentioned getting a different kitchen sink and faucet. Has anyone supplied (or does ETI supply) a faucet with the lever instead of two handles? I have tendonitis and the lever type are far easier for me to use as I can use my wrist when my hands hurt.
You can get a single lever faucet and/or custom sink (a bar sink works well) and have Escape install it. They don’t supply it. The only caveat is SIZE. Make sure the one you get fits.
6. Venting in enclosed storage cabinets. Was this really worthwhile?
Don’t know. Owner’s mod.
7. I don't see it listed in the brochures - is there a black tank flush? Can it be added if there isn't? I don't see it listed as an option or a standard feature.
Escape “may” install a Tornado or similar device if you supply it. Ask.
8. Are Umbra hooks really good? I kept seeing mention of them. As well as Command something-or-other. Are these the only kinds to use in an RV?
We have two sets of Umbra hooks, and yes, they’re “really good”. Command Hooks work well too. We liked the look of the Umbras. Again, you supply them to Escape.
9. Several times a hinged dinette table was mentioned. I don't plan to take the dinette down very often to make into a bed (I told hubby he snores loud enough that being across the trailer won't make a difference, so it'd be better if he's in the same bed so I can keep poking him awake - HA!), but I'm wondering which would be better for my feet not to bang into - a hinged or pedestal table. As well as which travels better while on the road.
Owner’s mod. Not done by Escape.
10. A foot pedal toilet is listed as an option. What is there normally? That's the only kind I've seen in RVs (granted, I don't have tons of experience with them).
The normal toilet is a lever flush, which is on the side of the bowl. The foot flush means we don’t have to bend over the bowl to flush. A small thing, but we like it.
11. Somebody reversed their sink and stove (don't remember which trailer it was). Why do this? Was it worthwhile? Or would others want to do that if they had thought of it?
Some like the sink by the bed or lounge area, and some like the stovetop there. Your choice. The standard location is sink by the door, stove by the lounge/bed.
12. Not having the range hood was mentioned. Why? The fan and light in the rental RV was pretty pathetic and I would always open the kitchen window and many times the door to vent out steam from cooking. The fan didn't do anything, so I could see not wanting it on there to save weight.
Some omit the range hood because they feel the Maxx Fan roof vent and an opening window are fine to eliminate cooking odors, or because they don’t cook a lot inside. It also makes the kitchen area feel a bit roomier, and means one less hole in the shell. We like the hood. Your choice.
13. What's a battery monitor cable?
A cable run so that you can attach a battery monitor.
14. Double sink - is there enough room for it? Or even a larger than usual sink as it seems rather small. Gotta fit my waffle iron so it can get cleaned. (Hum, might take that tomorrow with me when viewing the 21 - good idea!)
No room for a double sink, nor for a deep well sink beyond more than about 7 or 8 inches.
15. LED indicator switch for hot water heater? Huh? Why? What is there normally?
The LED switch means when the heater is on, you have a light. It’s just a reminder for those who might forget to shut off the water heater.
16. This was not mentioned directly, although Donna did say she uses a double bed mattress in her 5.0 instead of a queen. Can the pedestal for the bed be smaller so a smaller bed would be up there and you could walk around it? It doesn't look like you can walk around the bed from the photos on their site. That looks very awkward, to say the least. I can't really crawl around on my knees to get into bed all the time.
It’s not that awkward. There’s quite a bit of headroom considering it’s a compact 5th wheel. And no, you can’t make the “pedestal” smaller. Having a smaller mattress means space on the sides. It also makes bed making easier. Personal choice.
17. What are stabilizer pads?
Metal pads that attach to the stabilizer arms. They prevent the stabilizer arms from sinking in to the ground.
18. A screen room was mentioned and I saw it on their site. Having never seen one in person, how all do they work? Do you have a flap for going in and out that kind of keeps down the bugs from getting in? Is the flap magnetic? Does the screen room fit tightly against the trailer to keep the bug population down somewhat? If not, what's the point of one?
The flap isn’t magnetic. There’s a zipper as far as I know. It attaches to the trailer with snaps, and attaches to the awning.
19. Do they have a pull-out sprayer kitchen faucet option or is that one you have to supply?
You supply it. Again, make sure it will fit.
20. Custom graphics was mentioned. What were they and why? Just to make yours different looking from others? And where do you purchase them? (Any with cats?)
You have a choice of dozens of colors for the standard graphics (stripes and logos with a swirl design in the back). Escape supplies you with the color chart to choose. Some have also supplied or arranged for the graphic supplier used by Escape to apply a truly custom graphic. These are one offs, and you have to arrange it – Escape doesn’t.
21. Flush mounted sink and stove. Why? Did you have to supply them yourself?
You supply it. Some like the look.
22. Wall switches by the door was mentioned. Where are they normally? Or do you reach up to turn off the lights in the ceiling instead of one main switch for all of them?
Usually they control the central interior light and the exterior (porch) lights. The porch lights are an option, as are the switches. You can choose the location. Many put them on the door jamb. We put one there, and the other two on the end of the overhead cabinet. Your choice.
23. Winterizing t-value? What the heck is a t-value?
Allows you to winterize the trailer (fill the water lines with antifreeze) more easily.
24. Digital thermostat - as opposed to what?
As opposed to a manual one for AC and a separate manual one for Heat. The digital thermostat means you control both at one location, like in your home. If you don’t have AC, it controls the heat.

25. Someone said they didn't like the 9" vent in the bathroom as he didn't know if he'd be able to replace it if it got broken. Is this a problem? Either with breakage or replacement.
Don’t know. Ours works fine. It’s a push up vent with a fan. They’re common.
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