Windows: Frameless vs. Framed

[paulw]

Originally Posted by Casper

The sticking issue .... Thinking of the opening window as an upgrade if it's a drop-in retrofit.

I was thinking an opening back window would be a great upgrade. I was going to ask Reace about it at the rally, but If you find out it's an available retrofit before then, maybe you could post it here.

[Casper]

That's exactly what mine looks like, and my trailer is a 2014 too. I wonder if our windows are from the same batch. I'll call Reace and see what the options are. Thx Alisa

Originally Posted by LeonW

Casper, my rear window has gone cloudy too. For a long time I thought it was because I was a poor window washer. But I washed and washed and washed one day and it was still cloudy. It only shows up when the light is just right. you can see it in the attached photo. There are some marks that make it look like something dripped down in the middle of the window.

I contacted Reese and he said that Hehr is sending me a new window. It should be here any day now.

[Losangeles]

Originally Posted by paulw

I was thinking an opening back window would be a great upgrade. I was going to ask Reace about it at the rally, but If you find out it's an available retrofit before then, maybe you could post it here.

I seem to recall that I asked ETI if the new 2017 windows were a different size hole

And they said yes.

But do t quote me.

[Brian B-P]

Originally Posted by Greg A

A little bit of an FYI aside related to Hehr Windows. I don't like the Hehr stickers on every window and I always scrape them off when I restore trailers. The older the trailer the harder they are to remove. They came right off the new 19 this weekend with a razor blade in seconds.

Other brands use stickers, too. I don't like them either; they're in the same category to me as a dealership sticker on the back of a car. Earlier is definitely easier.

[Brian B-P]

While I'm not questioning the effectiveness of the Aerospace 303 Protectant, there are other options. The typical product to maintain gaskets around car doors, and to keep them from sticking, is silicone lubricant.

I'm guessing the new double-pane "frameless" windows are Hehr 6400 (better description from ParKin Accessories). I didn't find any maintenance information from Hehr specific to the 6400 series or sticking gaskets; the series doesn't seem to be mentioned in their Service Manual.

[Losangeles]

Originally Posted by Losangeles

I seem to recall that I asked ETI if the new 2017 windows were a different size hole

And they said yes.

But do t quote me.

I got clarification today from ETI - about the 2017 Escape frameless thermal windows... vs the slider (older style) thermal windows

and I quote

"Majority of the windows (on the 2017 Escapes) are the same size (as before).

Having said that, there are some in the (2017) 21' which are different than the 2016 model (of 21')"

[GCS]

Does it make much difference in the bathroom ? Which one to go with ?

[cpaharley2008]

The frameless is thermal and awning style, the standard is not thermal and slides up.

[Bakes99]

Resurrecting old thread. sorry. Is it possible to go with framed slider thermal windows throughout trailer, but have one Frameless at the rear for the purpose of being able to open?

[rbryan4]

Originally Posted by Bakes99

Resurrecting old thread. sorry. Is it possible to go with framed slider thermal windows throughout trailer, but have one Frameless at the rear for the purpose of being able to open?

May I ask why? The frameless thermal windows are a much desired feature, with a much cleaner look, and the awning style opening means they can be open in the rain. If I were having a new Escape built, I can't see any reason for going with the older windows.

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[rubicon327]

Originally Posted by Bakes99

Resurrecting old thread. sorry. Is it possible to go with framed slider thermal windows throughout trailer, but have one Frameless at the rear for the purpose of being able to open?

I was told by another member on the forum that ETI will not mix window types.

[Losangeles]

Originally Posted by rubicon327

I was told by another member on the forum that ETI will not mix window types.

I was told the same thing.

Also - just my 2 c - we have the frameless - and LOVE them.

John

[Chris & Patricia]

I can't think of any reasons to have the older style windows apart from cost. We have the new frameless windows and they look so much better and can of course open in the rain.

[freespirit]

Originally Posted by Bakes99

Resurrecting old thread. sorry. Is it possible to go with framed slider thermal windows throughout trailer, but have one Frameless at the rear for the purpose of being able to open?

unless you already have a trailer on order, supposedly the framed slider thermal windows are no longer available.
wondered the same thing however last year when the new model came out, guessing no... but then again if you have a trailer on order ETI is the one to ask.

[Bakes99]

According to the responses, it Sounds like I'm way of here, I was looking at the excel sheet for the options list, posted by a member, and it appeared that insulated with frameless were a $1500 option and the same with framed were a $1000 option, (this may not be current) I've always had sliders in our trailer and have never had a problem with them. In snooping around forums and this one included it appears members have reported problems. Not just with escapes but other makers as well. Not to say everyone has problems but just that some have reported.
I'm also from the camp, that it has to do more then look good, it has to function even better. That being said, mind is not made up yet.

[Bakes99]

And if framed slider window no available, them my mind is made up for me.

[Kountrykamper]

The only problem I have heard of so far with the awning windows in Escapes was a rock thrown by a mower. ETI has been installing them for a year now. Have I missed something?

[freespirit]

Originally Posted by Bakes99

And if framed slider window no available, them my mind is made up for me.

yes ETI made up your mind for you if you don't have one already on order, but other trailer mfgs have done this as well.....but when looking at theses awning windows perhaps also look at how they are installed and the wall/window frame construction and materials, that differs among trailer mfgs and may play a part in any issue you have read about.

since your looking at ETI may as well consider something else new with 2017 models , how do you feel about the latest in power awnings?...ETI however does allow you to select a manual awning with support legs..at least for now...

Originally Posted by Bakes99

I'm also from the camp, that it has to do more then look good, it has to function even better.

agree with you on that, but IMHO trailer mfgs seem to focus on the "make it pretty"...that's what seems to sell stuff....

[Bakes99]

Im looking even at some of the comments early in this actual thread.. Is there no one that actually prefers the sliders. Some comments refer to window lifting away while traveling down high way, gasket lifting from between window and frame, cross breeze. I'm not bashing them, I may end up with them Just trying to make the right decision (if there's a decision to be made).
I have no experience with frameless. My previous trailers have been sliders, all my houses have had sliders (whether side to side or up and down). Never been a problem.

[Bakes99]

Originally Posted by freespirit

yes ETI made up your mind for you if you don't have one already on order, but other trailer mfgs have done this as well.....now if your still looking at ETI , how do you feel about the latest in power awnings with no support legs?...however ETI does allow you to select a manual awning with support legs..at least for now...

I love and need power awning. Must have power awning.
Sorry haven't learned the emoji section yet.

We have decided on ETI and will be getting my deposit Tuesday morning.

Hope no one is taking my visit here as bashing any part of the Escape, we do love them and one will hopefully be parked in my driveway sometime this or next year.