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Old 06-18-2018, 07:15 PM   #1
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19' build questions: sink, u-shaped dinette, solar, 12v outlets, oven vs. drawers

We're working toward our build deadline and have much appreciated the helpful advice we've read in other posts. Here, a few questions we still need help with:
  • Are there any kitchen sink upgrades we should consider? (We know these have to be supplied by the customer)
  • We're considering the u-shaped dinette with the rectangular table. Suggestions/advice from those who have it (or wish they did/didn't have it)?
  • We want portable solar but aren't sure which options we should select. We rarely camp with shore power or generator; no TV or microwave.
  • Given our limited 120v use, should we ask for extra 12v outlets?
  • I'd like an oven, but I'm not sure I want to give up the drawer space. If you have an oven, are you glad you got it, or do you miss the drawers?
Any advice much appreciated!
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Old 06-18-2018, 07:44 PM   #2
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We're working toward our build deadline and have much appreciated the helpful advice we've read in other posts. Here, a few questions we still need help with:
  • Are there any kitchen sink upgrades we should consider? (We know these have to be supplied by the customer)
  • We're considering the u-shaped dinette with the rectangular table. Suggestions/advice from those who have it (or wish they did/didn't have it)?
  • We want portable solar but aren't sure which options we should select. We rarely camp with shore power or generator; no TV or microwave.
  • Given our limited 120v use, should we ask for extra 12v outlets?
  • I'd like an oven, but I'm not sure I want to give up the drawer space. If you have an oven, are you glad you got it, or do you miss the drawers?
Any advice much appreciated!
We initially didn't opt for the factory installed solar panel, but had it pre-wired for solar. We soon changed our minds and had it retro fitted. The advantage to this is its always on and you don't have to worry about putting it away when you leave your camp site, which you would for a portable set-up. Could you do it cheaper, probably. But for us, its also about minimising set-up effort and having the factory installed panel is, IMHO, a slam-dunk. We are looking at an upgrade and it will be the first option checked.

As to extra 12V outlets, if you don't use any 12 V appliances, it may not be worthwhile. But, its worth thinking about the future. Also, if you have devices to charge (ie phones or ipads etc or computers etc), its useful if you want to take a portable inverter. We run a satellite radio and it plugs into a USB, which an extra set maybe worthwhile. The satellite radio needs an external speaker and it needs to be recharged. So, for the relatively minimal extra cost, I might consider one. Also if you ever decide to get a 12 V TV say, Its useful.
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Old 06-18-2018, 10:20 PM   #3
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We're working toward our build deadline and have much appreciated the helpful advice we've read in other posts. Here, a few questions we still need help with:
  • Are there any kitchen sink upgrades we should consider? (We know these have to be supplied by the customer)
  • We're considering the u-shaped dinette with the rectangular table. Suggestions/advice from those who have it (or wish they did/didn't have it)?
  • We want portable solar but aren't sure which options we should select. We rarely camp with shore power or generator; no TV or microwave.
  • Given our limited 120v use, should we ask for extra 12v outlets?
  • I'd like an oven, but I'm not sure I want to give up the drawer space. If you have an oven, are you glad you got it, or do you miss the drawers?
Any advice much appreciated!
The u-shape: when camping with only two people, it's nice and cozy. But if you travel with more then two people, it gets quite cramped for all feet squeezed in that little square.
Sink: we are good with the standard one.
Solar: With the solar installed on the roof, no hassle setting up and no worries where to store, less chance of damage to the solar.
12v: get at least one with the USB. We are using that one every day for charging cell phone.
Drawers in counter: can't live without it! Reace was so nice to make 4 drawers in ours. I didn't wanted the drawer underneath the closet, as it makes the bottom of the closet flush. Since we use the closet as our pantry, less chance of sliding stuff out the door while traveling. (We keep the heavier stuff on the bottom, and the lighter stuff goes on the shelves)
However, would you use it only for wardrobe (hanging clothes), the drawer underneath might be attractive and you could get your oven.
Advice: imagine yourselves where you gonna store everything you bring camping. Then decide yes/no oven.
Best wishes on all the brainstorming!! Still remember my sleepless nights...
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Old 06-21-2018, 03:14 PM   #4
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We initially didn't opt for the factory installed solar panel, but had it pre-wired for solar. We soon changed our minds and had it retro fitted. The advantage to this is its always on and you don't have to worry about putting it away when you leave your camp site, which you would for a portable set-up. Could you do it cheaper, probably. But for us, its also about minimising set-up effort and having the factory installed panel is, IMHO, a slam-dunk. We are looking at an upgrade and it will be the first option checked.

As to extra 12V outlets, if you don't use any 12 V appliances, it may not be worthwhile. But, its worth thinking about the future. Also, if you have devices to charge (ie phones or ipads etc or computers etc), its useful if you want to take a portable inverter. We run a satellite radio and it plugs into a USB, which an extra set maybe worthwhile. The satellite radio needs an external speaker and it needs to be recharged. So, for the relatively minimal extra cost, I might consider one. Also if you ever decide to get a 12 V TV say, Its useful.
Good point on the potential for extra 12V use in the future. On the rooftop solar panels, my husband was wondering whether they might end up tearing the cover in the wind - we live on the Oregon coast and get a lot of wind in the winter. Any thoughts on that?
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The u-shape: when camping with only two people, it's nice and cozy. But if you travel with more then two people, it gets quite cramped for all feet squeezed in that little square.
Sink: we are good with the standard one.
Solar: With the solar installed on the roof, no hassle setting up and no worries where to store, less chance of damage to the solar.
12v: get at least one with the USB. We are using that one every day for charging cell phone.
Drawers in counter: can't live without it! Reace was so nice to make 4 drawers in ours. I didn't wanted the drawer underneath the closet, as it makes the bottom of the closet flush. Since we use the closet as our pantry, less chance of sliding stuff out the door while traveling. (We keep the heavier stuff on the bottom, and the lighter stuff goes on the shelves)
However, would you use it only for wardrobe (hanging clothes), the drawer underneath might be attractive and you could get your oven.
Advice: imagine yourselves where you gonna store everything you bring camping. Then decide yes/no oven.
Best wishes on all the brainstorming!! Still remember my sleepless nights...
I didn't think about feet with the dinette space. Good advice. I didn't know they'd put in four drawers...I'm going to ask about that. And good point about not wanting the flush floor to the wardrobe for pantry use. So much to think about...
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Most people with covers install those pool noodles to protect the cover from the solar panel. I got the extra drawer under the closet and installed shelves inside the closet. Our clothes are carried folder vs hanging. I also had 3 extra 12v outlets as our tv is 12v as it almost everything else. Between propane and 12v the trailer is operable, unless a/c is needed then you do need hookups.
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I have a 19 on order, due for pickup in August. One option I really wanted, in addition to the solar panel, was the oven. I had no interest in the microwave since we are planning to boondock most of the time. Plus I have one at home I hardly ever use. The idea of being able to bake while camping, including bread, muffins, cinnamon roles, and things like cornish game hens, potatoes, salmon, etc. WITHOUT having to deal with a dutch oven and charcoal, was too appealing to pass up. Losing the drawers under the counter was indeed a consideration and something I thought long and hard about. To compensate, I added 2 drawers under the wardrobe with the modification fee and am hoping that will be a reasonable tradeoff. Folks who opted against the oven say they compensate with lots of grilling outside, which seems to work well for them. But for me, I wanted the option of baking, especially if the weather is inclement!
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An oven in a 19 really takes up valuable space. I had one in my 21 and still missed the space. In addition, I never used it once in 2 years, except to carry some extra baking pans inside. The stove is a 3 burner top which I never used all 3 at once. So, unless you are some sort of baker, outside cooking in dutch oven, grilling or camp stove, is always there and if inclement weather there is electric convection ovens, Jon V. cooked blue berry pies for several years while attending rallies with one of those. It can be carried elsewhere or left at home whereas the factory oven is there, all the time.
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We have a 19 and an oven and LOVE it. So cosy to have baked goods in inclement weather and it warms up the trailer in cold weather. We have one drawer under the wardrobe and wished we'd put two. Good choices!
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I didn't think about feet with the dinette space. Good advice. I didn't know they'd put in four drawers...I'm going to ask about that. And good point about not wanting the flush floor to the wardrobe for pantry use. So much to think about...
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