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Old 06-12-2018, 07:59 PM   #21
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Not sure I think the change to Rainier is an improvement but I am pleased to have D rated instead of C. Fortunately, Escape trailers are lightweight so as long as the tires are inflated properly they are much less likely to be a "China Bomb" on an Escape than if installed on one of those huge 5th wheel, heavy, rolling homes. I'm sure that when replacement time comes, I will be very discerning on which brand to purchase but for now, the trailer came with these, they are new and I am not going to toss money at replacements just because they are new to the market and to Escape.


I'm guessing that since you state you will not be running these tires on your Escape that you plan to replace them as soon as you get your trailer?.
I agree that the lighter weight of the Escape (and not running under inflated)will make it less likely to experience the China bomb. But after spending over $30k on a new Escape the cost of a better (or better known) tire seems like a small & worthwhile expense to me if nothing more than some piece of mind. Yes my plan is to replace the tires. I was planning for the aluminum wheels but now may purchase wheels on my own with the tires I want. The steel wheels can be used for storage or sold. Luckily my build sheet is not due yet.

We also tossed money to replace the perfectly functional fabric...and flooring...and counter.
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Old 06-12-2018, 08:43 PM   #22
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I agree, it's one of those topics. I guess I should have asked if anyone remembers what ETI says TP should be set to.
The 50 psi recommended by ETI fits the max psi on the Carlisle tires fitted to my 5.0 TA.
So far I’ve only put about 8000 mi on them and they are not showing any wear. The trailer must be ridding pretty smooth cause nothing is ever out of place. Towed at speeds as high as 70 mph and the tires never get excessively warm.
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Old 06-13-2018, 05:19 AM   #23
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Couldn't find a manufacturer for Rainier other then the distributor Tredit pulled the patent for them. Tredit looks to be the major tire distributor for the RV trade in Elkhart. There's mention of Jaco and Keystone using them. The oldest mention I saw was from 2014. I saw one post about a problem with one at 3000 miles, nothing else. Personally I'd leave them on and just keep an eye on them for uneven wear, but bles, cracking, and so forth.
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Old 06-13-2018, 07:08 AM   #24
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Couldn't find a manufacturer for Rainier other then the distributor Tredit pulled the patent for them. Tredit looks to be the major tire distributor for the RV trade in Elkhart. There's mention of Jaco and Keystone using them. The oldest mention I saw was from 2014. I saw one post about a problem with one at 3000 miles, nothing else. Personally I'd leave them on and just keep an eye on them for uneven wear, but bles, cracking, and so forth.
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Old 06-13-2018, 08:32 AM   #26
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I agree that the lighter weight of the Escape (and not running under inflated)will make it less likely to experience the China bomb. But after spending over $30k on a new Escape the cost of a better (or better known) tire seems like a small & worthwhile expense to me if nothing more than some piece of mind. Yes my plan is to replace the tires. I was planning for the aluminum wheels but now may purchase wheels on my own with the tires I want. The steel wheels can be used for storage or sold. Luckily my build sheet is not due yet.

We also tossed money to replace the perfectly functional fabric...and flooring...and counter.

You are fortunate in that you know going in that Escape has changed tires from a known brand to an unknown brand. I thought that my trailer would have Carlisle tires on it and was disappointed when we picked it up and it had tires from an unknown company. Unfortunately, we were stuck with what we had and will give them a few years before replacement.



Perhaps you could ask ETI if they will put the tires of your choice on the trailer during construction if you have a local vendor provide the tires to ETI. Who knows, ETI might provide you some credit for not taking the Rainier tires which would save you a few $$. Further, if enough purchasers make the request for name brand tires, perhaps ETI will at least begin to offer them as an option.
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Old 06-13-2018, 08:46 AM   #27
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You are fortunate in that you know going in that Escape has changed tires from a known brand to an unknown brand. I thought that my trailer would have Carlisle tires on it and was disappointed when we picked it up and it had tires from an unknown company. Unfortunately, we were stuck with what we had and will give them a few years before replacement.



Perhaps you could ask ETI if they will put the tires of your choice on the trailer during construction if you have a local vendor provide the tires to ETI. Who knows, ETI might provide you some credit for not taking the Rainier tires which would save you a few $$. Further, if enough purchasers make the request for name brand tires, perhaps ETI will at least begin to offer them as an option.
Yes, lucky by 2 weeks...so that was cutting in close. I wish ETI would list all these specs but I suppose it would get to be an updating issue as they don't seem to keep the website totally current/accurate as is. Most people probably don't care anyway.

I think others have tried to provide other wheels tires and it requires you to get the mounted tires to ETI. I can buy the aluminum rims locally for about the same price as ETI charges so really my only extra cost is the tires and I will get the 5 steel wheels for "free". I also can avoid the exterior wheel weights on the aluminum wheels that you get from ETI. Might not be bad to keep the steel wheels to make future tire replacements potentially easier, if putting on old wheels is easier than putting it up on jack stands.

I would like to think the industry has learned about the junk ST tires and has made improvements, so the standard tires by be just fine especially on the lighter Escape. Just keep them properly inflated.
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Old 06-13-2018, 08:49 AM   #28
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I appreciate members posting information based upon their experience rather than guessing or assuming.

Thank you for the valuable contribution to the discussion. Very insightful.

I was curious about his intentions based on his comments and "guessed" that his plan was to replace the tires. I am sorry that this struck a nerve with you.


If members of this forum complied with your desire there would be at least 50% fewer posts. Perhaps more useful overall but much more sterile without an atmosphere of community.
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Old 06-13-2018, 10:35 AM   #29
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Old 06-13-2018, 11:48 AM   #30
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There are a number of posts on the sticky forums concerning the Reindeer tires, so many times people may not have direct experience, but informed experience. I wouldn’t discount anyone’s input, all is valuable.
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Old 06-26-2018, 09:34 PM   #31
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While the Rainier-branded tires may be junk, it seems that so are most ST tires... including in the opinion of many the Goodyear Marathons and Carlisles previously used by Escape. I wouldn't want any of them, but have no issue with ETI using them... they have to use something and would be criticized for using anything other than an ST tire.

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According to Escape, their new tires are Rainier ST205/75 R15 ST tires with load rating of "C" which is 6 plies. The tire is 23.3 did/8" wide, 2150# capacity @ 65 psi
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Ranier does have a "D" tire with 65 psi which some owners are saying is on their tire, maybe the person at ETI looked at the wrong tire Rainier
This information from someone at Escape is inconsistent and so must be incorrect. An ST tire in that size of Load Range C has a maximum inflation pressure of 50 PSI, while an ST tire in that size of Load Range D has a maximum inflation pressure of 65 PSI. As suggested by other posts, the tire with a load capacity of 2150 pounds capacity @ 65 is a Load Range D.
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The "ply" numbers are references to an antiquated system of tire construction. Load Range C is sometimes called "6 ply rating", and Load Range C is sometimes called "8 ply rating".
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Old 06-27-2018, 09:23 AM   #32
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Thanks to all who replied. The Max Pressure listed on the sidewall of mine says 65 PSI. I've decided to set it at 65 and be done with it. I'll replace the tires with a higher load and speed rating at some point in the future. I just didn't feel like replacing brand new tires at this point. I'll probably do it before next season.
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Old 06-27-2018, 09:48 AM   #33
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Thanks to all who replied. The Max Pressure listed on the sidewall of mine says 65 PSI. I've decided to set it at 65 and be done with it. I'll replace the tires with a higher load and speed rating at some point in the future. I just didn't feel like replacing brand new tires at this point. I'll probably do it before next season.
Sounds sensible, though I certainly would not even consider replacing them until they are either worn or 6 years has passed.
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Old 06-27-2018, 01:01 PM   #34
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regardless of the tire rating, the proper pressure is based on the actual load.

I happen to have load range E all terrain tires on my Tacoma, their sidewalls say 80 PSI... but the Tacoma only weighs like 5300 lbs max, and its optimal pressure is like 29 PSI front, 36 PSI rear (or something like that, I'm not going to go check it). Running 80 PSI would be suitable for a F350 rear axle at max load.
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regardless of the tire rating, the proper pressure is based on the actual load.
It is actually minimum pressure based on load, not the proper pressure. Most tire manufacturers and shops stress this.

For instance, many trailers with ST tires have loads that vary all the time. To change pressure to match the minimum a the time would be crazy.
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Old 06-27-2018, 02:19 PM   #36
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the standard compromise is to use the trailer GWR, for our Escapes, thats the 50 PSI given by the factory

I note many of my cars have two sets of pressure numbers. one for max capacity, the other for 2-passengers with minimal cargo representing every day use, which gives a more comfortable ride. my wife's 1994 mercedes wagon, also says, 'for speeds over 100MPH, add 8 PSI", or something like that.
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Old 06-28-2018, 03:19 PM   #37
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I finally checked my tire pressure it says 50 max on the closet door and on the tire soi filled them to 50 I have a 5.0 so most likely different tires
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I have a 5.0 so most likely different tires
No, the 5.0TA gets the same tires as every other current Escape model. The 17' puts the most load on each tire (because it has only two tires), and the 19' puts the least load on each tire (because it is the lightest of the tandem-axle models).

50 PSI is not required for sufficient load capacity for any Escape model (although the 17' is close) but it is not unreasonably high for any of them, either.
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Old 10-05-2018, 12:17 PM   #39
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When returning home from the Mississippi River Rendevous we encountered some heavy rains . Our trailer has the Rainier D rated tires and we expierienced some hydroplaning
which was rather scary
Has anyone else encountered this issue ?
Our past trailers had Goodyear or Carlisle tires which were quite stable in the rain
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I've experienced my vehicle hydroplaning ( not while towing ), but how can you tell the trailer is hydroplaning?
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