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Old 11-18-2014, 09:29 PM   #71
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I think on many trailer designs, the air gets disrupted long before it hits either the top or side vents, and prevents the negative pressure. The vent design from Dometic may be counting on that. Escape trailers may be different in this respect, and not disrupt the airflow prior to the vents. I think something to disrupt the air aft of the vents would help to create a stagnation point at the vent opening. Its possible that doing this for only the side vent would help ensure the air is flowing properly when the trailer is underway.
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Old 11-19-2014, 12:49 AM   #72
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I just found this on-line.

Is leaving the flue in the area behind the refrigerator in compliance with this? Are 'our' installations in compliance with the Dometic standards in the document below? Do they apply to US and Canadian installations?

http://www.caravanfridges.co.uk/pdf-...ion-manual.pdf

E1.5 Exhaust gas duct and installing the fume flue
The exhaust gas duct system must be made in
such a manner as to achieve a complete extraction
of combustion products to the outside of
living space. The duct system must slope in an
upward direction in order to avoid a build-up of
condensate. The type of exhaust gas duct
shown in Fig. E22 allows the side installation of
the winter cover.
An installation other than described will
reduce the cooling capacity and jeopardise
the manufacturer's warranty/product liability

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Old 11-19-2014, 01:06 AM   #73
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I don't consider the rear side of the fridge to be a "living space." ETI appears to seal/gasket the joint between the two. Same as my last couple of trailers.
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Old 11-19-2014, 01:09 AM   #74
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Klem,

I read what you posted before you edited it to tone it down. It still exists.
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Old 11-19-2014, 01:47 AM   #75
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I just found this on-line.

Is leaving the flue in the area behind the refrigerator in compliance with this? Are 'our' installations in compliance with the Dometic standards in the document below? Do they apply to US and Canadian installations?
That info does raise some questions. Puzzled by the requirement that the flue slope upward to prevent condensation (running back and contaminating the burner area) That would seem to imply that one that is short and vertical stands more of a chance of having condesate foul the burner area. It would seem that an insulated exhaust flue would be better, to prevent condensation. But the whole issue is: it's obvious Dometic considers this important but we have short stubby flues dumping out their exhaust gases lower than what the manufacturer seems to be recommending.

Secondly, they seem to be saying that not to use foam type insulation as it's a fire hazzard. Also they recommend the heat deflector shield.

To be honest, I'm really starting to wonder if Dometic needs to look at our installations and say yes or no as to whether they do meet their standards.

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Old 11-19-2014, 07:10 AM   #76
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That info does raise some questions. Puzzled by the requirement that the flue slope upward to prevent condensation (running back and contaminating the burner area) That would seem to imply that one that is short and vertical stands more of a chance of having condesate foul the burner area. ...
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I think they may be saying it has to be upward as opposed to downward. They may not be saying it has to be sloped rather than vertical.
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Old 11-19-2014, 11:47 AM   #77
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The surprising part of that item is that there's condensate. I've seen lots of that on mid and high efficiency furnaces but I didn't expect that an open flame with a short flue would even have condensate.

I'd like to find a source of the lip seal that fits the groove. The way I read those installation instructions they're saying that the foam ETI uses in that location is a fire hazzard. Or, is there a lip seal and the foam is just added as extra sealing?

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Old 11-19-2014, 12:12 PM   #78
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Hello Klem,

The information you have posted regarding the vent/ducting for the fridge.

E1.5 Exhaust gas duct and installing the fume flue

The exhaust gas duct system must be made in
such a manner as to achieve a complete extraction
of combustion products to the outside of
living space. The duct system must slope in an
upward direction in order to avoid a build-up of
condensate. The type of exhaust gas duct
shown in Fig. E22 allows the side installation of
the winter cover.

is for a side mount vent. This is where the fridge is ducted and vented through the side of the trailer.

Escape vents the trailers using a roof mount vent. There is low vent on the side of the trailer and an upper vent on the roof of the trailer.

When the poor cooling performance with the fridge arose Escape Trailer Industries recorded and documented in detail the installation method of the fridge and fridge vent sizes used. This is the first place Dometic looked for fault regarding performance failure. Dometic's tech's, then reviewed this information and they could see no fault with the installation as it met all of their requirements.


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Old 11-19-2014, 01:03 PM   #79
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Glad you addressed this Reace. The fault is not with the install, as you mentioned when I visited.
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Thankyou Reace for responding and clearing up things . Puts my mind at ease as I am sure others . It was starting to get a little crazy .
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