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Old 02-09-2016, 12:03 PM   #21
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I notice some 5th wheel set ups are "sliders" for front to rear movement, is this something that is necessary for use or only used with different trailers? Perhaps some parking spots maybe easier to enter with the hitch moved back for tighter turns and towing with the hitch forward over the axle? Does anyone use a slider model?
Hi Jim

I have a Reese 16K slider. Have only used it in the back/rear position a few times but when I did it was nice to have. You have to be cutting it pretty sharp to use the slider in the back position. All told I love this hitch and if I need extra weight in the back of the truck in winter I can leave it in.

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Old 02-09-2016, 01:11 PM   #22
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Is the standard Escape 5.0 TA hitch install a slider, anyone?
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Carl, just wanted to mention we have never had any sway with either our 17 or the 21 we currently own. It could be due to the weight distribution hitches, or maybe the excellent design of the Escape trailers, or maybe the owner's expert loading method. Or it could be due to dumb luck. I am sure there are some advantages to 5th wheel hitches -- you probably never get grease on your pants from the hitch ball. But not sure sway elimination is one of them.
Never had any sway with our 19 with no weight or sway attachments . Just the ball . Our truck is F250 with a 8 ft bed though . Big rigs past us and she just stays straight and follows . Pat
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Old Skool here, aka AKsnowbiker. I like classic rock and the classic 5.0 TA.

I would only consider a slider if my bed length was shorter than 6.5'. Scott

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Old 02-09-2016, 01:59 PM   #25
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Old Skool here, aka AKsnowbiker. I like classic rock and the classic 5.0 TA.

I would only consider a slider if my bed length was shorter than 6.5'. Scott

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Why are you trying to confuse us?

But I agree, I can't see the need for a slider with a 6.5' bed either. I guess maybe with a 5.5' bed. I think they are mostly intended for the behemoth 5'ers. But then, I have never towed a fifth wheel RV before, only tractor/trailer combos.
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Old 02-09-2016, 02:43 PM   #26
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I notice some 5th wheel set ups are "sliders" for front to rear movement, is this something that is necessary for use or only used with different trailers? Perhaps some parking spots maybe easier to enter with the hitch moved back for tighter turns and towing with the hitch forward over the axle? Does anyone use a slider model?
The slider exists only to change the distance from cab to pin, and you would only need that if you can't find one pin position which works under all conditions. The pin needs to be far enough back to allow clearance to the cab in turns, but far enough forward that the weight of the trailer is carried where the truck can handle it.

At least a couple of Escape owners have had sliders, but at least one has mentioned not using it (that is, leaving it in the forward position).

Just to make things a little more confusing (or interesting, for those of us interested in mechanical designs) sliders come in two versions:
  1. manual - the driver decides when to stop and adjust the slider position (in rare cases with a powered slide); this is often an add-on part sandwiched between the hitch frame and mounting hardware
  2. automatic - the hitch is designed so that it moves back when the truck and trailer combination turns sharply enough (the best-known is the Pullrite SuperGlide)

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Is the standard Escape 5.0 TA hitch install a slider, anyone?
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I would only consider a slider if my bed length was shorter than 6.5'.
Although the box length doesn't matter directly, it is an indication of the distance from the back of the cab to the axle, which is the critical dimension. A typical 6.5' (2 m) box has about 40" (1 m) from cab to axle, which means that if the trailer is over 80" (2 m) wide you can't turn a full 90 degrees unless the pin is behind the axle, but even with a typical pin position just ahead of the axle the rig may still be able to turn tightly enough; turning clearance and pin position is always a tradeoff.

A wider trailer needs more space, obviously. Some of the recommendations on towing equipment websites are clearly based on the assumption that the trailer is at least 8 feet (96", 2.4 m) and up to the legal maximum (102", 2.6 m) wide. A 5.0TA is 88" (7'4", 2.2 m) wide, and a 5.0 only 80" (6'8', 2.0 m) wide.

Most people seem to find that tradeoff acceptable with a 6.5' box, and many even find it acceptable with a 5.5' box... without resorting to a slider. I'm sure I wouldn't be satisfied with the turning angle available for a 5.0TA with the standard pin position (just ahead of the axle) in a 5.5' box. I think that the Scott and Jim have expressed the common opinion: a slider is not needed with a 6.5' or longer box.
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Just going off personal experience here. I drove myself to distraction with the slider, no slider hitch decision prior to picking up our trailer. We have the BW Patriot 16K mounted just in front of the axle.

We have pulled our trailer up and down some pretty steep, twisty old mining roads. A couple of times we have come very close to having the trailer and cab come into contact. (This is almost 90 degree backing on severe slope) but unless going past 90 degrees no problems what so ever.

I don’t see how folks with shorter beds and non-sliders get away with it, unless they are mounting the hitches behind the axles. Scott

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I just measured my truck bed, height is 22", bed is 6'5" lip to lip and the distance to axle center is 39-40" from the vehicle body, the bed is 6'5" wide. Escape lists the width to be 88", so midpoint would be 44" which is 4" too wide unless the body is more tapered than 2" from center axis.
I'm aware of at least one Ram 1500 towing the 5.0, but it was sold.
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I just measured my truck bed, height is 22", bed is 6'5" lip to lip and the distance to axle center is 39-40" from the vehicle body, the bed is 6'5" wide. Escape lists the width to be 88", so midpoint would be 44" which is 4" too wide unless the body is more tapered than 2" from center axis.
I'm aware of at least one Ram 1500 towing the 5.0, but it was sold.
I had a 2014 Ram 1500 ecodiesel short bed (5'7") towing my 5.0TA that I picked up march 2015 from ETI. Trademasters installed the rails for a B&W patriot hitch but they positioned it slightly in front of the axle. Once, the front of the trailer hit the TV cab when I made a very sharp turn backing up. Caused a very slight dent on the TV.
I now traded the 1500 RAM to a 2500 ram diesel with the 6"5" bed. Using the same B&W hitch, I now have plenty of turning clearance.
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Keep in mind the hitches front to rear adjustment. Also, 10 years now and I've yet to need
90 degrees of trailer angle.
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