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Old 05-19-2016, 03:51 PM   #91
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Thanks for that follow up, Santiago.

I had suspicions along the lines you describe with the definition of a sealed compartment. This is good to know.

That is a bummer that Escape must install a battery box vent. Perhaps it could be done in a way and location that could be utilized for something else in the future, like an access panel for solar/wifi/TV connections.
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Old 05-19-2016, 03:54 PM   #92
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Thank you for making people aware that even AGM batteries need to be vented. Remember that hydrogen is the most unstable element in the universe. I think stupidity is second.
Actually, he said that LifeLine said venting was not necessary.
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I've been using AGM batteries for 16 years and you will realize the added cost by getting 3X's more life (at least). I typically get at least 5 years out of mine. You can also shop online as they are sealed and do not have to be shipped hazardous. Hope this helps.
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Old 05-19-2016, 04:04 PM   #94
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Actually, he said that LifeLine said venting was not necessary.
That is correct Jim. Lifeline said their AGMs installed inside coaches is absolutely normal and acceptable. IF any hydrogen vents due to whatever reason, it's so slight its mostly undetectable and quickly dissipates.

Yes with full knowledge that a customer will discard the factory supplied flooded battery and box and still not accept a customer's preferred alternative, AGM, is disappointing. I would not seek credit for the factory battery and box just don't look forward to having to do fiberglass work on a brand new trailer. On reusing that hole, it depends on location of where they hole saw cut it and its not exactly a diameter with practical use.
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I've been using AGM batteries for 16 years and you will realize the added cost by getting 3X's more life (at least). I typically get at least 5 years out of mine. You can also shop online as they are sealed and do not have to be shipped hazardous. Hope this helps.
Yes they are the next best thing to Lithium at this time. My GEL is 10 years old and still works great. You are right in that due to the fact that they don't leak, GEL and AGM are UPS ship-able. AGMs are in airplanes since they often bank and roll. Can you imaging a flooded battery in an airplane ?
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That is a bummer that Escape must install a battery box vent. Perhaps it could be done in a way and location that could be utilized for something else in the future, like an access panel for solar/wifi/TV connections.
As of right now, this is where the vents are:
On the 21', standard dinette
Battery1.JPG

On the 21', U-shape dinette... kinda hiding behind the spare tire
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Yes they are the next best thing to Lithium at this time. My GEL is 10 years old and still works great. You are right in that due to the fact that they don't leak, GEL and AGM are UPS ship-able. AGMs are in airplanes since they often bank and roll. Can you imaging a flooded battery in an airplane ?
As a pilot/air traffic controller I can imagine what would happen.
Although I' not a fan of Gels or Lithium as Gels have charging restrictions and Lithium blows up when their polarities are crossed.
I had an interesting conversation with an EMT with reference to using the jaws of life on hybrids.
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As a pilot/air traffic controller I can imagine what would happen.
Although I' not a fan of Gels or Lithium as Gels have charging restrictions and Lithium blows up when their polarities are crossed.
I had an interesting conversation with an EMT with reference to using the jaws of life on hybrids.
Oh WOW Richard, yes that is true, Lithiums are very sensitive to polarity among many other issues that will have them self destruct. It's scary knowing your $5,000 battery bank can be lost with one mistake. Second reason to not consider Lithium now, other than cost, managing them. Hopefully that will change over time. Meantime it's AGM despite the weight. Yes GEL plates won't allow the fast charge rate of AGMs which is great when filling up via Honda 2000 every 5-7 days in my case when boondocking. When on the road the truck will be charging them at a 40amp rate.
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As of right now, this is where the vents are:
On the 21', standard dinette
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On the 21', U-shape dinette... kinda hiding behind the spare tire
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The one at the back is nicely hidden.
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The one at the back is nicely hidden.
Yes I could live with the rear vent, though I rather it didn't exist.
Jim I take it you are ordering a U shape dinette as well, otherwise it will likely be on the passenger side.
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