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Old 04-05-2016, 01:50 PM   #61
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I think I will just stick with the standard termials, an M* threaded insert, but am curious as to others thoughts on the merits of the optional L-blade or Marine Terminals. I don't really see a big advantage.
That's a nice illustration... strangely not from the Lifeline site.

4. The least desirable to me would be the automotive post, since it must be used with clamp-type cable terminations.

3. I wouldn't mind the threaded inserts, and that would be the way to go if height in the case is an issue. My only concern would be that if anything happens to the threads (which are in copper) there would be no easy fix. At least copper is better than the similar but lead (and differently sized) threaded socket in GM side-terminal automotive batteries.

2. The marine terminals are also copper threaded inserts, but have a post (intended for starter cables) which might be handy for clip-on leads for meters or chargers. They also have different sizes for positive and negative (also standard practice with threaded posts offered by other brands), to eliminate the chance of a backward hookup if properly sized cable terminal rings are used; the positive terminal thread is also larger than the plain threaded inserts. I think that I would prefer this to the plain threaded inserts.

1. I like the L-blades, although I have not had them in copper before. Bolts are used, just as with the threaded inserts. They also require the use of a nut, which means two wrenches and less convenience, but you can apply as much clamping force as desired, with no chance of stripping a thread built into the battery
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Old 04-05-2016, 02:03 PM   #62
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A bit of an update. Escape must install a battery box if the batteries are inside the trailer, as they must presume that the user might put in flooded batteries. Once one takes possession, they could do what they want.

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I was reading this thread thinking what I would do with the batteries on the Escape 19. I couldn't find exact info on the Escape website for the dual 6 v battery option, perhaps I missed it. If you talk to Escape about the dual 6 volt batteries, please ask them to post the battery MFG, PN, Weight, and dimensions for the dual 6 volt battery option on a Escape 19 (assume they are the same for your trailer choice). I suggest this assuming the dual 6 volt option is not an AGM battery and therefore wondering if Escape will offer a dual 6 volt Lifeline (or Other) AGM upgrade and if so how much, MFG, PN, etc? Will need to know the specs of the current battery in the dual 6 volt option so I know what fits in the storage box in case Escape does not offer an AGM upgrade and I have to provide them.
also if anyone has any pictures of the dual 6 volt option on an Escape 19 please post them or a link.
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They do not offer an AGM upgrade. If I go that way, I will supply my own. I imagine someone will have the photos of the dual 6V installed in the storage box, or on the tongue, of the 19.
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That's a nice illustration... strangely not from the Lifeline site.
Yeah, I found it on a few sites selling the Lifeline batteries, but not on Lifeline's site.

The marine terminals were really the only one I couldn't figure out, but see it now that you mention their purpose. I think the simple threaded insert would definitely work best. I one wanted a good contact to attach leads it would be easy to add something small.
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Jim, so will you see if Escape will delete the batteries from your build? Personally, I've had such good luck with our Interstate dual 6V (going on six years old and still performing almost like new) that the cost of them from Escape seems awfully reasonable. Is you main thought for the AGM to be able to not vent them?
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Old 04-05-2016, 02:15 PM   #64
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not sure about Lifeline, but noticed Trojan Reliant T105-AGM batteries have a few distributors/dealers in BC...wonder what they cost locally for Escape?
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The obvious factory upgrade to AGM would be the Interstate 31M-AGM, from Interstate's limited AGM selection, but that's only a guess... and all Interstate AGM batteries are 12-volt. Group 31 is Interstate's biggest AGM size, and a pair would have somewhat less capacity (and 10% less weight, and different proportions) than dual GPL-4CT. With Jim's latest update, this is now not very relevant (with no factory upgrade there is reason to be limited to Interstate), but I had already written this...

It would make sense to me to ask them if they would install customer-provided batteries. I think it would be awkward for them to build without batteries (to complete wiring, and testing), so my guess is that they would need to be provided prior to the build, not at pickup time. It might be practical to buy AGM batteries online and have them shipped directly to Escape's factory.

An alternative might be to get the larger box with only the standard battery, and use it for a while until doing an upgrade as a by-owner customization. In the 21' apparently the same box is used for the Group 29 upgrade as for the dual 6V upgrade - that may be one way to get the big box in a 21' or Jim's 5.0TA, although it may not apply to the 19'.
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An alternative might be to get the larger box with only the standard battery, and use it for a while until doing an upgrade as a by-owner customization. I
Yes, that was the easiest way for me to get my dual 12 volt set-up. The trailer must leave ETI with a functioning electrical system. After that, it's fair game for mods.

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Old 04-05-2016, 02:29 PM   #67
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so is this correct?
For an Escape 19 (with or without a storage box), the standard is a 12 volt Flooded battery mounted on the tongue. If the dual 6 volt option is purchased then Qty 2 - 6v flooded batteries are mounted on the tongue.
If the storage box is purchased then either the standard or the dual 6 volt batteries are mounted in the storage box and the bottom of the box is designed for the weight of the batteries and the battery mounting method to the box inside the box is rugged (for lack of a better word). Or are the batteries mounted to a metal platform to the tongue and the storage box is merely "around" the batteries inside it? Wish Escape would post really good pics of this ....
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The obvious factory upgrade to AGM would be the Interstate 31M-AGM, from Interstate's limited AGM selection, but that's only a guess... and all Interstate AGM batteries are 12-volt. Group 31 is Interstate's biggest AGM size, and a pair would have somewhat less capacity (and 10% less weight, and different proportions) than dual GPL-4CT. With Jim's latest update, this is now not very relevant (with no factory upgrade there is reason to be limited to Interstate), but I had already written this...

It would make sense to me to ask them if they would install customer-provided batteries. I think it would be awkward for them to build without batteries (to complete wiring, and testing), so my guess is that they would need to be provided prior to the build, not at pickup time. It might be practical to buy AGM batteries online and have them shipped directly to Escape's factory.

An alternative might be to get the larger box with only the standard battery, and use it for a while until doing an upgrade as a by-owner customization. In the 21' apparently the same box is used for the Group 29 upgrade as for the dual 6V upgrade - that may be one way to get the big box in a 21' or Jim's 5.0TA, although it may not apply to the 19'.
there are 5 dealer/distributors listed in BC for the Trojan Reliant AGM battery..maybe Escape could check it out as an option since its local and in the worst case maybe an Escape customer could arrange for the dealer/distributor to have it delivered to Escape prior to delivery, since I ain't a local not sure about the logistics.
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I don't have the storage box, but here's the dual 6V on the tongue of the 19.
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I don't have the storage box, but here's the dual 6V on the tongue of the 19.
Thank you..just curious were your metal straps with lock add-ons or factory standard?
So I assume the angle iron welded across the tongue frame and beneath the batteries is somehow also part of the storage box battery mount method.
wonder if the batteries are also inside a battery box as shown in your photo and then mounted inside the storage box as I assume that would prevent items from coming in contact with the batteries inside the storage box.
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