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Old 02-04-2018, 08:18 PM   #1
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Is there a stronger holding dbl sided tape similiar to the command tape..Where can you buy it in Calgary.XHB ?
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Old 02-04-2018, 08:35 PM   #2
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Is there a stronger holding dbl sided tape similiar to the command tape..Where can you buy it in Calgary.XHB ?
This stuff is super strong. But not removable like the command tape

https://www.amazon.ca/TapeCase-Width...ds=3m+vhb+tape
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Old 02-04-2018, 10:12 PM   #3
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Is there a stronger holding dbl sided tape similiar to the command tape..Where can you buy it in Calgary.XHB ?

If you follow the directions carefully when applying the Command tape, it holds really well, except in temps over 105F, at which point it’ll fail, even if you did everything right.

The standard stuff for more permanent installs is 3M VHB, which comes in different flavors, some better suited to specific applications.

Command’s key advantage in many situations is that it’s easy to remove. Again, as long as you follow the directions.

It would be helpful in steering you towards an appropriate product if you would explain where and what you want to stick up.
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I use this 3M tape . It will not fail .

https://www.uline.ca/Product/Detail/...MAqg&gclsrc=ds
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Going on 2.5years with Command bathroom items and hooks, stored in Phoenix heat and no fails.
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Old 02-05-2018, 02:43 AM   #6
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Is 3m tape really over 100 dollars?
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Old 02-05-2018, 03:14 AM   #7
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Is 3m tape really over 100 dollars?
36 yards is a lot of tape. do note those are C$, too.

here's US$ for various lengths.
https://www.amazon.com/3M-Tape-5952-.../dp/B01EOEW25S
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Old 02-05-2018, 12:07 PM   #8
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3M VHB tape

You can get it in a variety of lengths and widths. I think I paid about $25CDN for 3 yards of 1" wide.

I followed instructions to the letter for the command hooks and was never successful getting them to stick to the vinyl walls on the inside of the Escape for more than a day or two. They work OK on the fiberglass or wood. If there is going to be any significant weight involved I wouldn't trust the command tape.
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Old 02-05-2018, 12:18 PM   #9
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Command tape failed for us . We were traveling in below zero temps and several item that were fastened with Command tape fell off the wall. The tape seemed to work just fine in temps above freezing. Just our experience .
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Brian, It would help to know what you trying to tape and on what kind of surface. VHB is indeed a very strong tape, but it may not be the proper material for your application.
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I get my VHB tape on eBay, usually from this seller: 3M 2" x 6 ft VHB Double Sided Foam Adhesive Tape 5952 Acrylic Indrustrial Grade | eBay

That way, I use what I need and don't buy too much extra.
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I get my VHB tape on eBay, usually from this seller: 3M 2" x 6 ft VHB Double Sided Foam Adhesive Tape 5952 Acrylic Indrustrial Grade | eBay

That way, I use what I need and don't buy too much extra.
The big box stores have some very strong tape these days if you are looking for a smaller quantity for much cheaper. While not technically VHB which is an industrial product, it is still made by 3M and has a very, very strong bond.

www.homedepot.com/p/3M-Scotch-1-in-x-1-66-yds-Permanent-Double-Sided-Extreme-Mounting-Tape-414DC-SF/203405976
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Is 3m tape really over 100 dollars?
Ya it's not cheap . The roll I got is over 7 years old now. Keep it in the dark and cool place . It's as good as new. Auto shops like Lordco / Capit may have smaller rolls.
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Last year I retired from 3M after 38 years of service, the last 15 in the same division that makes VHB (tm) tape. The Industrial Tape and Adhesives Division sells into Industrial applications, hence the long rolls that it normally sells. You can buy consumer quantity sized rolls of very similar tape from CHIMD, another division of 3M. You can go to War-Mart and look for Scotch (tm) Outdoor Mounting Tape. You will find that it comes in a couple of different grades. These products are permanent. VHB = Very High Bond. These rolls sell for a more consumer friendly $5 or so. My friends still employed say that the version of Command (tm) that are best for cold temperatures and the vinyl surfaces are found with the blue printed liner. These grades might be indicated as 'outdoor' or 'all season' mounting strips.

As with any adhesive product, surface preparation is key. Leaving any residue on a surface has the adhesive create a bond to the residue, not the surface of interest. Vinyl as is commonly used is vinyl polymer with many additives to enhance certain properties. These additives quite readily can migrate to the surface of vinyl, creating a weak boundary layer. Proper cleaning of the vinyl is key to creating a good bond. Once the bond is formed it tends to inhibit further migration of these migratory chemicals, and the bond can remain secure for a very long time.

I would add, you can always google '3M Helps'. You can ask to directly speak to a 3M subject matter expert, and they can will put you in contact with the 3M expert in VHB or Command. For the purposes of full disclosure, I still own 3M stock, and would always encourage 3M products;
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Any advice on what product to use to prep the vinyl?
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Last year I retired from 3M after 38 years of service, the last 15 in the same division that makes VHB (tm) tape. ...;
I've been using a foam 3M double-sided tape for various things sold as "Extremely Strong", it has a red backing, and the tape itself is a dark grey. is that anything similar to what you're talking about?

re surface prep, I usually swap the surface with isopropyl alcohol, that seems to do the trick most of the time.
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Normally recommend the use of iso-propyl alcohol due to easy availability, it's effectiveness as a cleaning solvent, and the low toxicity for human exposure.

Santa Cruz John, the products I described are the same as you have been using. The VHB tapes will either be opaque white or the gray that you describe. They are usually 35 to 60 mils thick, depending upon the grade used. The red liner is pretty much constant through most grades.
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Brian, It would help to know what you trying to tape and on what kind of surface. VHB is indeed a very strong tape, but it may not be the proper material for your application.
I purchased one of those 3 hook Umra,with the small shelve combination.It's not heavy.Was going to put it by the door,left side of the top cabinet near the sink,on the 21[mounting on the wood[ Keys phones etc..
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Best bet is to try to hit some of the wood framing with screws. If you plan on only hanging lightweight items on it - the Command tape will hold quite well if it is properly installed.

Were it me, rather than something like VHB tape that is designed never to be removed, I'd use some of these wall anchors https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...hps_bw_c_x_2_w

I have used them in various applications with very good luck.
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I agree. The Umbra hooks are essentially a permanent install on the cabinet, so just use screws and hit the framing. Otherwise I would use some brushed nickel or wood look Command Hooks for keys and such.
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