Double bed in 17B

[Sandra L]

Another thing to consider: having the hinges on the bathroom door placed on the right(on the 17B) for an unobstructed night run to the bathroom.

[gbaglo]

Originally Posted by Sandra L

Another thing to consider: having the hinges on the bathroom door placed on the right(on the 17B) for an unobstructed night run to the bathroom.

I have to disagree. When I'm camping with a buddy and I've got the single bed at the front, I don't disturb him by turning on the light since the door blocks the light. The door also serves to block the light when Les and I are in the double at the back, although she can sleep through anything.

baglo

[Sandra L]

I was going on the idea that the two of them would be in the double bed (large dinette). I also forgot to mention that I have an outlet below the stove top in which is plugged a night light I have thought about putting just one of those no-so-bright inside the bathroom to avoid that very thing. I'm often in the dark anyway.

[amirie]

The light from our factory stereo is enough light for me to get up to the bathroom...Heck Doug is sleeping and I leave the door open....
FWIW I never turn the light on at home either--nightlight in hall is enough--I don't want to wake up!!!!

[Beaver]

Wow, you folks are so helpful! Thanks for all the comments! Night bathroom visits are a definite fact of life for this "mature" couple, so these seemingly small matter are worth thinking on. We had a lovely visit with Bob and Irene today and were treated to an exhaustive tour of "Winter" (Escape). Many helpful observations by Bob and we were blown away by the quality of the workmanship on the unit and the possibility of customizing our own egg. Pending a powwow with my sweetie tomorrow or Sunday, I hope to be contacting Tammy to put in a deposit on a 17B! Could I be more excited?

[gbaglo]

I've got a battery operated LED "puck" light stuck to the wall just inside the door of the bathroom. I can find it in the dark ( the trouble with a flashlight is you need one to find one ). It's not as bright as the factory light, but enough for the job or so you can find the switch for the factory light. I've got a couple others inside cupboards, like above the fridge. Wide variety of these at Canadian Tire.

baglo

[gbaglo]

The lights I have are Sylvania Dot.It
Noma also sells several models.
Available at any home hardware store.

I have a couple that swivel and you only have to brush your hand against them to turn them on or off. Others you push like a button.

Only thing to watch for is that you should be able to take the light down and change the battery easily. First one I had required a mini screwdriver to open the battery door and was held up with double-sided adhesive ( which covered the battery door ). That dumb design has been improved upon with Velcro and a sliding battery door.

baglo

[JeffZ]

We have one of those "crank" lanterns that are led - doesn't need batteries, although you can put in 2 AAA.. Anyway it has 1 small led that's a night light, more than enough light to see your way, but not enough to be a bother when sleeping.. works out perfectly.. a couple of "cranks" is more than enough to get you through the night

[Beaver]

Jerry,
Thanks for the warnings about the rivets! This kind of info saves us a lot of research...
Beaver (Arthur)

[escape artist]

Hi: All... I found a 4 watt bulb in the auto/trailer section at TSC. I simply took out the 8 watt one in the bathroom fixture... and exchanged it. No more spots in my eyes.
We use an LED nightlight when plugged into shore power and the little green indicator light on the propane detector does the rest.
Most times I feel like a "Mushroom". Kept in the dark...and fed lots of horses doovers.
It's amazing how little light you need in the dark!!! Alf
escape artist N.S. of Lake Erie

[gocamp]

On the other side of the coin, A legion of airstream owners might consider rivet construction method superior.

[gbaglo]

Ask Jeff how many times he took his Airstream Bambi in for rivet replacement ( under warranty ). Still, if they can make aircraft that way, you'd think they'd have it nailed by now.

baglo

[escape artist]

Hi: gocamp... While your at it ask how much damage was caused by one tire blowout!!! I'm not knocking aluminium or rivets but...when you can see outside thru the rivet because the mandrels have fallen out of their center... thats a problem too!!! Alf
escape artist N.S. of Lake Erie

[JeffZ]

Originally Posted by gbaglo

Ask Jeff how many times he took his Airstream Bambi in for rivet replacement ( under warranty ). Still, if they can make aircraft that way, you'd think they'd have it nailed by now.

baglo

Yep.. we either lost a couple of rivets on our travels. They were on the inside skin..the outer are more heavy duty and seem to really hold up. The Airstream warranty is excellent 2 years bumper to bumper.

My guess was they either flawed when they were put in or the jostling/expanding/contracting of the AS popped them out or sheared them off. They are pretty easy to fix though, of course you need a rivet gun.

[Garand]

Originally Posted by Beaver

Jerry,
Thanks for the warnings about the rivets! This kind of info saves us a lot of research...
Beaver (Arthur)

As a former Casita owner (can't speak for Scamps, of course), I'm happy to have an Escape with many fewer rivets (its still got 'em...just not dotted all over the surface) and would never go back. In Casita's defense however, I never has a single leak from a rivet after many years of enjoyable camping. I had a couple of rivets pop from torsional stresses, but they were easily replaced, and a daub of silicon sealant in the original hole and a liberal coating on the rivet resulted in a leak-free job.

My recommendation is 100% in favor of the Escape, but the Casita served as a good second-best, with scores of happy owners.

Dave

[Donna D.]

I'm definitely in the Escape wannabe camp, but my 1988 Scamp has never had a leak from a rivet. It's a maintenance issue just like windows, vents and weep holes in the window frames. Keeping the rivet caps tight is the solution.

But isn't it nice y'all Escape owners have one less thing to worry about

[escape artist]

Hi: All... I can add that our '77 Boler leaked so bad I had to remove water several times from behind the Ensolite with a syringe. I believe it came in thru the awning rail rivets and down the wall. The bulge was so big as to be visible and held about 1/2 cup of water.
Escape uses the same style awning rail system but I'm banking on it not leaking for at least 30 yrs. By then I'll be glad to look at it... or anything else for that matter!!! Alf
escape artist N.S. of Lake Erie