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Old 06-16-2018, 11:19 PM   #1
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Escape 21 or 19, help wanted.

We currently have a 2017 17B, but very close to putting in an order to upgrade to a 21. Before we pull the trigger, does anyone have some good reasons why we should choose a 19 instead of a 21.

For the options we would want, there isn’t a huge difference in price (about C$ $1,000) nor is there a huge difference in weight (about 300lbs). The extra length would give us quite a lot of extra space especially for longer trips.

But we do know that Escape owners will often point things out that we hadn’t considered. So all thoughts appreciated, with thanks.
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Old 06-16-2018, 11:34 PM   #2
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my wife definitely preferred the 21 over the 19... the longitudinal queen bed in front, the U dinette in back, and the bigger kitchen area in the middle were all win-win features. we love the propane oven, and have yet to use the microwave.
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Old 06-17-2018, 12:00 AM   #3
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Things may have changed with the new body style but I always looked at it like the 21 with it's extra weight and larger front end profile exposed to airflow required a bigger TV, or at least a bigger engine, to pull it at highway speeds, as opposed to the 19 or 17.


Maybe some who have had both can weigh in.
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Old 06-17-2018, 12:21 AM   #4
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Things may have changed with the new body style but I always looked at it like the 21 with it's extra weight and larger front end profile exposed to airflow required a bigger TV, or at least a bigger engine, to pull it at highway speeds, as opposed to the 19 or 17.


Maybe some who have had both can weigh in.
Thanks for your very valid comments. There has been an interesting discussion on the forum on a Honda Ridgeline with a 5,000 lbs tow rating towing a 21, suggesting that its not really quite enough for a 21. Our existing TV has a 3,500lb rating, supposedly adequate for our existing 17B. However, we find that for long hills, and in British Columbia where we are there are lots of them, it laboured somewhat and its been in our mind to upgrade anyway. So we will need to take that into consideration as we don't really want to get a truck, preferring to keep with some kind of SUV. There was also a discussion on the Hyundai Santa Fe capably towing a 21, which, while not doubting the comments, does somewhat surprise me.
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Old 06-17-2018, 01:06 AM   #5
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We have a 19, but at the Osoyoos rally my husband said: "maybe we should upgrade to a 21 with its extra two feet". Across from us was a 21, and he went to have a look inside. His remark when he came back: "I don't get it. The outside is bigger, but the inside looks smaller. More cramped".
I totally understood what he meant, and why. The entrance of the trailer in a 21 is smaller as the bed is right in front. The kitchen area is longer and a little wider, but because it's longer it looks more narrow. The dinette is bigger but because of the longer kitchen it doesn't look bigger. And because there are no windows all around in the 21, it seems darker.
Overall there is extra room in a 21, but with the extra light coming in in the 19 it feels more open.
Glad he came back from his visit with a smile on his face! I LOVE our 19.
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Old 06-17-2018, 01:28 AM   #6
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the 19 we looked at, the bed was sideways like in our Casita, and the bathroom was in the middle, across from the stove, which made for a rather narrow aisle, so for instance if my wife was cooking, it would be hard for me to get by her. the 21 also has a huge fridge/freezer, which we really like.
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Old 06-17-2018, 01:29 AM   #7
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Things may have changed with the new body style but I always looked at it like the 21 with it's extra weight and larger front end profile exposed to airflow required a bigger TV, or at least a bigger engine, to pull it at highway speeds, as opposed to the 19 or 17.
the bigger front becomes more significant as the speed goes up. air friction goes up with the cube of the speed, so if there's a certain amount of friction at 55, there's 2.5 times more friction at 75, which is only 1.3X the speed.
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There has been an interesting discussion on the forum on a Honda Ridgeline with a 5,000 lbs tow rating towing a 21, suggesting that its not really quite enough for a 21.
There are lots of 21's pulled with a 5,000 lb tow capacity and they do great. There might be the odd long hill like you describe where passing becomes an issue, but they will do the job well 99% of the time.
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the 21 also has a huge fridge/freezer, which we really like.
Though a 5 cf fridge is standard in the 19, you can still order the 6 cf fridge for $200. Any extra room for beer is always appreciated.
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All valid points mentioned here, more weight and larger surface are impacts towing efficiency, lack of windows on all walls like the 19 impacts feeling of spaciousness. Having owned a 19 first and acquiring one of the first 21's made I experienced first hand this issues. Going back to a 19 seemed to have made a difference. That said and after seeing what others have done with their E21's, here is what I would do. You can ordered an optional side window over the night stand, opposite the kitchen window that will allow cross breeze as well as making it brighter. The addition of an optional front window will allow 360 degree viewing. You will however still have the weight and frontal area issues compared to a 17, which can not be negated. A new tow vehicle with more capacity, like the Hyundai or the Highlander will tow the bigger trailer, so if you do have to upgrade, why not take advantage of the capacity and get the Escape 21 with the additional windows. That is what I would do!
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All valid points mentioned here, more weight and larger surface are impacts towing efficiency, lack of windows on all walls like the 19 impacts feeling of spaciousness. Having owned a 19 first and acquiring one of the first 21's made I experienced first hand this issues. Going back to a 19 seemed to have made a difference. That said and after seeing what others have done with their E21's, here is what I would do. You can ordered an optional side window over the night stand, opposite the kitchen window that will allow cross breeze as well as making it brighter. The addition of an optional front window will allow 360 degree viewing. You will however still have the weight and frontal area issues compared to a 17, which can not be negated. A new tow vehicle with more capacity, like the Hyundai or the Highlander will tow the bigger trailer, so if you do have to upgrade, why not take advantage of the capacity and get the Escape 21 with the additional windows. That is what I would do!
We added the extra windows to our 21', both the front window and the window over the night stand/drawer stack. The extra light and visibility are significant and important to us, and yes it seemed that with a 21' there was not much of an increase in either weight or cost. But I can understand why folks prefer both the 19' and 21'.
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