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Old 11-07-2015, 10:21 PM   #21
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Fractured chassis up date

The Escape 19 is tucked away at the repair shop till Monday. I will send more pictures when I can visit it.
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Old 11-08-2015, 12:07 AM   #22
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That puzzles me also. I'd expect that the crack would have propagated right through the center of the bolt hole.

It appears that the washer and nut may have been tacked on to prevent them from loosening and that the crack is immediately behind them.
I had not zoomed in on the photos before, but now I see what you mean - it is clearly beside the washer, not involving the bolt hole.

The crack is right at the edge of what might be a tack weld bead. Welding this - especially on a frame - seems like a strange choice, compared to just using a self-locking nut (although the self-locking nut would require someone to hold a wrench on the bolt head inside the trailer). Maybe the apparent tack weld is just a glob of whatever the red stuff is?

It does look like a brittle break, rather than a tear. How hard are these frames? I vaguely recall a comment a long time ago about the alloy and heat treatment of the frame making them relatively hard... which means strong, but potentially brittle and sensitive to issues due to welding and drilling. The vast majority have no problems at all and have worked very well, but something went wrong in this case.
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Old 11-09-2015, 09:16 AM   #23
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Fractured chassis on 2010 Escape trailer.

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Old 11-09-2015, 09:23 AM   #24
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Thanks for the added photos, that tells a lot more. For starters, I was confused about how the stabilizers looked and mounted, but see that they are a different type than what I had on my 19.

That break is definitely behind the weld, and is most likely at, or near, the back of the inside mending plate. I too would have though it would have migrated through the bolt hole though.

Just glad to see you caught it before it became a catastrophic issue. This is a good reminder for people to actually check their frames once in a while. I do this with my construction trailers, and did find a cracked frame on one of them a few years ago.
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Old 11-09-2015, 09:35 AM   #25
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Looks like this cracked at a completely different point than the weld addressed in the recall. Is there a frame cross member welded at the front edge of that crack? Also, is that a weld bead on the back of the jack's mounting plate, directly next to the front of the crack?
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Just curious... Were those stabilizers standard on the 19 in 2010? I have never seen an Escape with those.
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Our 2010 17B had those and has been referred to here in the past as a 'mis-shipment" that ETI had for a short time and used.
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Just curious... Were those stabilizers standard on the 19 in 2010? I have never seen an Escape with those.
Tim - they are on many 2010's including our 17B. When we picked up ours Reace said that these had been shipped by mistake to ETI rather than the one leg models and he decided rather than ship them back to go ahead and put them on - giving us a more substantial model at no extra cost. Then for a while he would put them on as an option, but finally decided that he was afraid people would be too tempted to use them improperly to jack up the trailer rather then just minor leveling and stabilization as they are intended. Makes me wonder a bit if anything regarding these heavier duty jacks that could be a contributing cause here. But the last I heard, he was concerned that someone might be able to twist their frame out of alignment, not crack it.
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Tim - they are on many 2010's including our 17B. When we picked up ours Reace said that these had been shipped by mistake to ETI rather than the one leg models and he decided rather than ship them back to go ahead and put them on - giving us a more substantial model at no extra cost. Then for a while he would put them on as an option, but finally decided that he was afraid people would be too tempted to use them improperly to jack up the trailer rather then just minor leveling and stabilization as they are intended. Makes me wonder a bit if anything regarding these heavier duty jacks that could be a contributing cause here.
Ahh... Kind of what I was thinking. Those jacks can generate a lot of torque and if cranked hard the break would be behind it because of the trailer weight. Also one more reason why all frames needed to be 4". Maybe one of you engineers could weigh in here but I would be suspect of the jacks as a contributing cause.
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Old 11-09-2015, 12:55 PM   #30
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This is a WAG but could the Jack have been hit from the front which pinched the the frame and it worked into this tear? Notice jack on the other side appears tilted rearward.

Towed nose too high causing the back end frame stress to concentrate at the bolted location? The frame nose is tight the aft section is working this crack?
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