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Old 09-15-2016, 09:45 AM   #21
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I don't lock ours for that reason. I would rather replace a hose or tire chalk than deal with the damage of a thief. I figure if they look in ours they are going to be disappointed at what they find. Heck I don't lock the camper most of the time because I would rather they take my pots and pans than destroy my door. If they want in they are going to get in and don't care what they damage in the process.

I cant stand are a thief and have no use for them.
This my thinking, on all accounts.
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Old 09-15-2016, 10:14 AM   #22
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Art when I zoom in on the pictures of the remaining lock, to me, it looks like intense wear from the lock swinging back and forth. The hasp and lock both have wear marks. The other picture looks a bit strange to me as to what tool the thief would have used. The only way I could imagine him getting it done so quietly is with a very large bolt cutter and that hasp, to me, doesn't look like it is cut that way.

Maybe I am missing something, not the first time for sure, but I'm wondering if it might not have been theft attempt but something else.
I see what looks like a lot of wear on hasp , like it was swinging around also . Did someone enlarge the hasp holes and use a hefty lock ? The hasp holes only will take a small , I think it is 1/4 lock shackle . Sorry for whatever the cause of this on your trailer . Pat
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Old 09-15-2016, 12:05 PM   #23
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Somewhere along I-5, between O'Neill Regional Park and Livermore, CA, most likely at the Rest Stop at the top of the Grapevine, someone nearly broke into our front box, on Monday, Sept. 12, 2016.

They cut through the hasp, and removed the padlock on the driver's side, and were almost through the hasp on the passenger side, see photos. If this was at the top of the Grapevine, we were inside the trailer having lunch, with the door open! Kathy thought she heard something, but I didn't.

I haven't heard about the security of the front box being a problem for other Escape owners, so I'm currently thinking that I'll try to get the same hasps used on Escapes; rather than looking for a harder to break into hasp that would be unlikely to match the front box pop rivet hole pattern.
sorry for the experience...if they did this while you were in the trailer that would be bold and perhaps a bit dangerous if confronted...
IMHO better locks and hasps ain't going to stop a thief with a crowbar as long as the hasp is mounted to fiberglass with just rivets..especially if they are aluminum rivets and if the inside of the fiberglass lid/enclosure is not backed with metal for the rivets to go thru.....really depends on where the incident occurs and whether the thief is concerned about noise in the methods they use. These days heavy duty battery powered tools can make quick work of most any material.
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Old 09-15-2016, 12:10 PM   #24
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Looking back at the pictures posted on page 1, I agree that the wear patterns on the hasps seem more consistent with having a big lock swinging back and forth during travelling than from a burglary attempt. I use a much smaller lock on mine and there is no wear at all on the hasp.
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Old 09-15-2016, 12:11 PM   #25
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One of the reasons we have a window over the bed in our 21.
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Yes, we briefly wished we'd gotten the optional front window after we saw the damage. But then we realized that we wouldn't have bothered to open the shield during a quick stop for lunch, unless there were a view, so we still wouldn't have seen anything.
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Old 09-15-2016, 12:24 PM   #26
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Looking at the pics of the damage my first thoughts were that didn't look like it had been cut, but was from wear. So I'd have to concur with the assessment it was caused by the motion of the large lock over time. The answer as to whether it was caused by theft or damage is if the removed lock was right there. Thieves don't cut off locks and take off with them they just drop them. If the lock wasn't there and recovered it fell off in transit from wear and is laying somewhere along the highway.
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Old 09-15-2016, 01:27 PM   #27
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Art when I zoom in on the pictures of the remaining lock, to me, it looks like intense wear from the lock swinging back and forth. The hasp and lock both have wear marks. The other picture looks a bit strange to me as to what tool the thief would have used. The only way I could imagine him getting it done so quietly is with a very large bolt cutter and that hasp, to me, doesn't look like it is cut that way.

Maybe I am missing something, not the first time for sure, but I'm wondering if it might not have been theft attempt but something else.
I looked again at both hasps. The erosion of the hasp is symmetrical, and occurs on both hasps, so your suggestion of wear from a swinging lock is probably correct. Given that wear, a diagonal cutter could have probably gone through the remaining metal with little or no sound.

I find it hard to believe that the broken hasp could have had one side bent about 90 deg. by just a swinging padlock, with no human intervention with a pliers or other tool. However, a possibility that I can't rule out, is that on a sharp turn the back corner of our Jeep Grand Cherokee can hit the box near the lock (I've done that at least once) – when I return it to the storage yard, I may try a sharp turn with Kathy watching to see where it would hit and to keep me from actually hitting, to see if that could have bent the hasp.

The Master Padlocks weigh only 1.3 oz, each, and have a small hardened steel shackle of about 5/32" diameter. But this is apparently sufficient to nearly wear through the hasp over about 12,000 miles. It looks like we have to go from a small to a tiny lock, or no lock.

The suggestion of not locking the box has some appeal [but it goes against the grain for someone who has spent most of his life living in cities – it would be a return to high school days in a small town in northwestern Minnesota where my parents didn't lock our house even when gone on a month-long vacation]: it would provide more convenient access to the contents, and most important – the value of the $700 box greatly exceeds the value of what we keep in it; except when we're in camp – then I put the weight distribution hitch, bars, and ball-drawbar in the box, resulting in a total value that is similar to that of the box. [This weight exceeds the 100 lb limit, but it is a static load that I figure is ok. When the trailer is moving, all that heavy stuff is removed from the box.]

So at least some of the problem was 'normal' wear, and perhaps no bad guy was encountered.
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Old 09-15-2016, 02:07 PM   #28
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My truck rear corner would meet the box right at the corner bend. Since your tow is a bit narrower, the rear corner hitting the lock (inside the bend on the front surface) during a sharp turn isn't outside the realm of possibility.

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Old 09-15-2016, 03:43 PM   #29
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I once had a seasoned camper owner with many years experience tell me "locks are for honest people". It makes more sense now than it did when I was much younger.
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Old 09-15-2016, 04:51 PM   #30
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I'm pretty amazed at the amount of wear on the corner of the padlock itself (photo #2). That padlock housing is made of some some pretty tough metal, and if it has worn that much, I'm sure it has been wearing down whatever softer metal it has come in contact with - as evidenced by all the abrasions on the hasp.
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