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Old 05-01-2015, 09:45 PM   #1
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Holes in Cushions

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After only two years our cushions have developed holes around the seam areas. Now it is important to point out that we must make up our bed every night we are on the road and the cushions have been tailored to an extremely tight fit. Also, it is not the fabric that has failed but the vinyl plate material that is used for the bottom. When sewing, needles normally push fabric aside but in vinyl, the needle actually pokes a hole in the material creating a weak spot.

I have included pictures. Two are of the holes in the vinyl material and one shows that the actual fabric has not failed. These holes are in very critical spots and will only grow over time. I have examined them closely, and these are NOT an easy fix. We are looking for ideas, short of having to have new covers made.

Many of you do not change your cushions to beds, and so may never see this problem, however, any NEW builds I think I would request FABRIC all the way around avoiding the vinyl plate material altogether.

Have contacted ETI, but no response as of yet. Any ideas would be appreciated. Thanks.
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Old 05-01-2015, 10:03 PM   #2
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any NEW builds I think I would request FABRIC all the way around avoiding the vinyl plate material altogether.
Yep. Exactly the reason we did that. Makes the cushions reversible too.

Short of reupholstering the cushions, I can't think of an easy fix.
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Yep what? I doubt the reason for going 360 fabric was to avoid the above problem. ETI should step up to the plate; obviously their subcontractor made a mistake.

Edit: I like the vinyl backing; it helps with moisture control.

Another Edit: with the u-shape dinette we don't have to use any of the back cushions for a bed as we have two "filler boards". They are an option not listed that one can purchase for $100 each. Using them instead of the table for the bed platform is much easier and stowing the boards/cushions is very easy. Also, you get that much more insulation around the bed in that rear dinette by leaving the cushions against the wall.
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Yep what? I doubt the reason for going 360 fabric was to avoid the above problem
Well then you doubt wrong. I've done upholstery and even once worked in an upholstery shop. The vinyl to fabric seams can often be a problem. I chose to avoid it. Sometimes the vinyl is basted with a rip stop material but I didn't know how these were made not having seen them. An all fabric cushion was a safer bet.
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Seam tape? I haven't done any sewing for years. But, remember using seam tape in areas where there was stress put on the fabric it would help prevent exactly what you're seeing.
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Seam tape? I haven't done any sewing for years. But, remember using seam tape in areas where there was stress put on the fabric it would help prevent exactly what you're seeing.
Tried seeing if seam tape would stay adhered to the vinyl, it doesn't. Unless you know of some high end stuff I couldn't find. I don't think it is designed to hold up to the stresses we are talking about, but appreciate the suggestion and that is what I am looking for. Thanks, Tim
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Okay, so maybe Seam Grip Repair Adhesive and Sealant ?
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I might get some, but it is for synthetic fabrics, not vinyl, so I'm a little dubious but will try some. This appears to be a very thin liquid, like the seam sealer I use on our backpacking gear. The problem with vinyl is there is no porous structure for adhesive to get into. Whatever is placed on it must bond with the vinyl directly and be massive enough to replace the torn vinyl. But… all that being said, I have nothing to lose at this point… Thanks for the link. Added it to my wish list and will be doing an order soon. Tim
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Tim, I'm thinking you'll need to pull the foam out and fix it from the backside. Upholstery vinyl typically has a mesh cloth as backing. Maybe it will stick and heal from the back? I haven't even unzipped the upholstery cushions in Ten Forward to look...
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Tim, I'm thinking you'll need to pull the foam out and fix it from the backside. Upholstery vinyl typically has a mesh cloth as backing. Maybe it will stick and heal from the back? I haven't even unzipped the upholstery cushions in Ten Forward to look...
My pictures are from the inside. Very tough area to work on with only 1/4 seam allowance and on a corner and nope, no cloth backing as you can see in the pictures. If it had a cloth backing it probably would not have torn through. This is also how I know seam stick didn't work. But… you got me thinking and back to my old standby, Sailrite. I found a repair kit specifically for vinyl, not cloth.

Tear-Aid Repair Kit Type B for Vinyl Products - Clear Patch

Notice that they have a kit for cloth but the oils in vinyl prevent many things from adhering to it, hence the special "Type B" kit.

Still, if the upholsterer had built the back cushions like the seat cushion, where the zipper plaque was ALL fabric, this would not have happened. By having half of the zipper plaque vinyl and half fabric in a high stress area I think is what caused the problem and it is something we should not have to be dealing with after only two years. We had our Chalet with all fabric cushions for more than 3 years and never had a problem. Thanks again for continuing to offer ideas and suggestions which prompt me to look for creative solutions. Tim
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